Webmail clients like Gmail just butcher the mails.

Too true. I tried using mailinglists with gmail nearly a decade ago and regretted it.

I believe people hate email workflow just because of how badly its interface is designed.

And the amount of tools you need to know of in order to have a bearable experience. b4, lei, patchwork, notmuch, aerc, ... sounds like a lot of work and knowledge needed just to be able to use a mailinglist. Source forges have an intuitive interface that allow even beginners to contribute without setting up a bunch of tools.

IMO any project looking for contributors and using mailing-lists is either stuck in their ways, targeting a specific group of people, or both. Mailing lists don't bring the boys to the yard. Hopefully the linux kernel maintainers learn this some day.

I'm curious, what tools are you talking about?

I've never had a good experience with mailinglists and find them impossible to navigate. For example: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20231222045228.27826-1-jason-jh.lin@mediatek.com/T/#m1f842978210ac8ef1a4d9b7f7b0206cf7fdf1964

What is happening here? Where is the patch? Where at the comments on the patch? Is each email a commit?
The are enormous quotes and "squash it into this function", then then entire quote is quoted again (scroll, scroll, scroll), "OK, I'll squash it".
Then it seems like somebody has hard-wraps (probably at the archaic 80 characters because they still work on a 4:3 CRT) which change the format of everything mentioned before.

There is so much visual noise in mailinglists which is cleaned up significantly by source forges. You don't have to read the same quoted code every single time somebody comments on that bit of code in the thread. Then there's the forever repeated To, From, CC, title and other stuff. The clutter is immense.

Even if they decided to keep mailinglists, they could at least put on a better UI, but the next problem will be people who don't conform (either because they're new, forgetful, etc.). It'd be like trying to get people to write perfect XML each time and the UI could break in amazing ways depending on how the person formats their response.

I grew up with shitty UIs (windows 3.1 and windows 95), but mailinglists are even worse.

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Thanks for the insight.

So the replacement for email won’t be Github - but something just as easy, without sacrificing the quality that the kernel devs need.

Hopefully it will not be some old-ass software that looks like it was designed together with dinosaurs. I'm curious how they'll make the decision and what they will decide on. I'm one of the people who won't touch a project using mailing lists, but tbf, I wouldn't have the time to contribute to the linux kernel atm anyway. For those that do and are turned off by mailing lists, it's a pity however.

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I do wonder how it shakes out. If the case establishes that a license to use the material should be acquired for copyrighted material, then maybe the license I'm setting on comments might bring commercial AI companies in hot water too - which I'd love. Opensource AI models FTW

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They were supposedly anchors to claim ownership of things in the real world.

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Is this an American thing? Haven't had any issues with this in the EU

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Execs are getting paid millions! They DGAF. Once they drive one thing into the ground, they can just move on after landing very softly with their golden parachute.

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Thanks. That seems so random 😅

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Do you check every profile you respond to?

Oh wait, a hexbear user.

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Same. Block and move on.

Fedora must've been during COVID, because I can't remember the year. If things are better now, then maybe distrochooser has to be updated. It's on github, so if you believe it's become user-friendly, do contribute.

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"systemd question shouldn't be there"

skip it

"NVIDIA GPU question is missing"

contribute https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser

"too many options"

I want to say "read it", but IMO this is presentation, because pros and cons are clearly listed, but maybe it looks like a lot of text. Maybe people need some kind of visual like a podium and a drum roll. 🥁 "aaaand your top suggestions arreeee"...

Also, people aren't suggesting alternatives except: "make a bot that randomly picks a popular distro". Is that really how we want to treat new users? "Please hold, in the meantime, here's an automated response." Do you follow advice given in automated responses when you're holding on a line?

IMO you're thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website's code is on Github https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser

I've never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.

Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?

Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:

• narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)
• if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea

DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn't want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?

I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it's like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn't going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don't have to explain to them "Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that's temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to....". Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.

Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don't give a rat's ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you've never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you'd buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store.
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don't understand something, I can ask more questions.

1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser
2. test them --> DistroSea
3. more questions --> right here

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That's why distrochooser is a questionnaire 🤷

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What would it include?

Yeah, I disagree. It's the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I'd much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/), wrote some extra stuff e.g "I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA" or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of "duh, linux mint stoopeed"

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Fedora is not for everyone. I think the assessment of that site is correct. When I first installed it, it came with KDE and Wayland installed. Wayland couldn't share screens at the time and my webcam didn't work. Which new user has the time to understand the difference between X11 and Wayland? I also wanted to install OBSStudio and finding an rpm repo was no fun at all.

In the end, I uninstalled Fedora.

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From the screenshots, it looks like snowe wasn't being aggressive at all. And getting hate for using "they" is excessive. It's a shorter way of saying "that person". Blahaj (a blue shark from IKEA? I don't get it) shouldn't be this touchy about stuff. It's like a C programmer getting offended about being called a programmer.

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It should then be easier to package in nix IINM.

77k lines rewritten... that's nuts!

Ooooh! Alright. That didn't come across that way. Github supports graphs (mermaid?). It might help to have there as I might not be the only one misunderstanding.

Cool project! Should probably be part of lemmy itself!

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