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    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      4 years ago

      I can't exactly call you a liar since I don't know what you know or don't know but the threads structure is really suspect, and again, I made other points that you could meet about the specific situations and reasonings for the laws made in Xinjiang.

      • BumpInTheNight [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        specific situations and reasonings for the laws made in Xinjiang.

        The reasonings are about extremism/terrorism

        • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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          4 years ago

          Yes, what do you think about them?

          It feels like you are doing this neutral facade cause you came in prepared with articles and archive links but you don't really seem to have an open opinion about it.

          • BumpInTheNight [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Most hotly debated issues have valid points on both sides:

            Valid points for the ban: It oppresses women, it's not required by the Qu'ran, women never choose to wear it, hiding your face is creepy in many valid cultures

            Valid points against the ban: anonymity is good, women do choose to wear it, cultural freedom

            • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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              4 years ago

              But in this specific situation also the things mentioned are not part of the actual traditional culture of the region and the people, but something deliberately spread by a more extreme tendency of the religion. Like if one of the christian sects like the Jehovas Witnesses or whatever started spreading far more conservative traditions and values into a region with no tradition of them. I would say that creates a special situation where religious freedom is of course hurt and there probably are immigrants who have this as their traditional culture who may be hurt, but also that this is a step in undermining a very real attempt to spread extreme traditions and tendencies by foreign groups and powers.

              • LibsEatPoop [any]
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                4 years ago

                Hey, could I get some sources for the Uighur culture not having long beards, drinking wine, not covering faces etc? I'm currently reading through this site and the laws and stuff cited there do make China appear really bad.

                • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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                  4 years ago

                  I wish I had a solid source but mainly its just shit I've picked up on from time to time reading about this stuff, most of the sources on Uighur culture either seems to be in Chinese or Uighur or written specifically by defectors which means its most likely got a ton of bias going on.

                  Im pretty sure that site is run by a rabid anti-china guy tho.

              • BumpInTheNight [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                But in this specific situation also the things mentioned are not part of the actual traditional culture of the region and the people, but something deliberately spread by a more extreme tendency of the religion

                Does that make it more justified or less?

                • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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                  4 years ago

                  In my opinion it makes it more justified since it is a consequence of an outside culture deliberately trying influence and radicalize the traditional culture in order to make it more conservative and drive up conflicts. As opposed to basically every western country that has done or considered this where its a refugee wave of people who have had this culture as their tradition for ages thats now being suppressed solely because of islamophobia and white supremacy.