Workers who want to quit overwhelmingly say they're looking for a new job with more flexibility. Indeed, even among those who aren't considering changing jobs, half of people currently working remotely say if their current company doesn't continue to offer remote-work options long-term, they'll look for a job at a company that does.
You know all the people saying everyone wants to go back to the workplace? Apparently workers absolutely don't
damn you mean building our infrastructure in such a way that getting around absolutely fucking sucks yet is unavoidable ends up with people not wanting to do it once its proven it is, in fact, entirely avoidable 95% of the time?
never would have guessed..............
Office workers would overwhelmingly agree with all of the following statements:
I want be able to work from my office
I want be able to work remotely
I don't want to hot desk
I don't want time slots
Hot desking doesn't seem so bad if you have a reservation system so people can just stay home or go to a coffee shop if there's not gonna be any room.
Also, isn't 2+ monitors or 1 big 4k monitor per cube was pretty standard in offices these days?
It was literally 2 people to one desk.
That's not too bad if they're actual cubicals that can fit 3 chairs+1 standing and not just a big long row of desks with no privacy.
That's how we usually train people or do pair programming if they're physically in the office, 2 people, 1 screen+laptop each. It's a little more convenient than double screen sharing.
I always wanted my workplace to have the chaotic energy of the college library around finals, never adds unnecessary stress or prevents me from doing my job
Hot desking without the ability to work remotely is the dumbest shit I've ever heard of.
It's for people who are working from home 4/5 days a week, and occasionally come into the office if there's technical problems at home or they want to physically be with coworkers or in-person training or something.
Jesus that sounds bad.
What exactly were you doing that they thought that was acceptable?
People were ready to riot at my work when they tried to limit people to 2 monitors at work+2 monitors at home, while space might be expensive, desks and monitors are dirt cheap at that scale.
In the end, they had to settle on just not letting new people get more than 2 monitors, unless they really needed them.
Hot desking sucks ass.
broke: hot couch
double broke: hot desks
That isn't what id define as hotdesking tbh. Not to imply that there aren't issues with hotdesking.
fair enough, similar thing is starting to happen for me at work as well, but we've always been flexible about working from home so it's not a major change.
i dread having to have the "actually the desk i have in the open office hell setup is bad and i'm not coming back" conversation
Have you mentioned to your manager that you're so much more productive and happy at home? They probably have had that conversation with everyone else and feel the same way to some extent.
Open offices suck so much, my work replaced cubes with these open triangle things that held 3 people each and replaced an area that held 16 people in these nice big cubes with 3 triangles.
Somehow you felt both exposed and vulnerable since you're at the center of these 6 foot wide desk with your back to traffic and isolated/lonely because everyone else is behind walls or 12 feet away, and you had to walk a full 6 feet to even see your neighbor.
The desk was both too big to reach everything, and also too small to fit anything, being really shallow and without storage.
Eventually we went back to the cubes, ostensible to fit more people, but people just preferred the cubes.
Seconding this, I've gone hard on the I'm way more productive at home angle, and my work definitely backs that up. Other things like "I have way more energy to focus on work now that I'm not commuting" and maybe "when I have appointments in the middle of the day I like being able to get back to work instead of having to choose between going back to the office for an hour and going home" may help.
The insidious bit about this is that they know it's less effective. I did work psych, there are decade old research papers that reveal that open offices wipe up like 15%-25% of work efficiency. I'm in the dev team (we get put with sales and support in the same room before the pandemic) and we all went "I can't concentrate due to all this noise" so we got noise cancelling headphones. The company did a survey a couple of months ago asking if we think our efficiency has changed, it averaged out to "slightly increased" which was noticed in all the task planning bollocks and the such. Which is personally shocking cause you know most people (including me!) are like jerking off all day and working for 3-4 hours, but we get to deliver as much as before.
The benefit to the company is that we get to work in a huge panopticon, they get to think that collaboration is more likely (this has been proven to not be the case, but they feel like it is, so who cares) and then the managers / owners get to feel like they're running a real company by working in fucking boiler rooms with everyone inside.
Not who you replied to, but
you’re so much more productive and happy at home
Happy, yes. Productive, I'm not so sure. It's a lot easier to get distracted (like right now). That's why I'm a little scared I won't be able to stay working from home.
So glad my company got a new CEO who is against remote work but is somewhat fond of hot desking.
Fuckin' Mayo Pete looking ripoff even worked for McKinsey and Co himself.
You might want to check out the IWW, they have organizer training courses (which are being done over zoom with local iww orgs) that really break down how to map out your workplace and systematically identify shared issues and convert people to the effort. It's pretty helpful stuff, even if you don't try in this particular workplace now. When trying to agitate workers with kids/families, flex time and paid time off are often key goals that can get them to buy in.
No mention of "Because the worker rights in the US are maybe only marginally better than a concentration camp."
looking for a new job with more flexibility
You get a gig economy, you get a gig economy, everybody gets a gig economy!
I'd like to work remotely but have the option to use an office space when there isn't a plague.
looking for a new job with more flexibility
It's actually good that the neoliberal gig economy is turning people into serfs under neofeudalism
Already, people who can work remotely tend to be white, college-educated and higher-income workers. If a post-pandemic workplace accelerates this trend, it could worsen existing income inequality, Avery says.
lol, income inequality is when programmers get paid too much and has nothing to do with the mega-rich giving themselves more and more money to hoard like a dragon
Bezos: "I did a $20billion surplus work by myself during the pandemic!"
half of people currently working remotely say if their current company doesn’t continue to offer remote-work options long-term, they’ll look for a job at a company that does.
me_irl
Thankfully I'll have a full 30 days notice before they'll expect me to go back. Gives me time to either convince my manager to let me stay home, or find a new job.
