Vote Brigading is the practice of mobilizing a campaign within an online community to promote or undermine a targeted page, user or belief en masse through the user-voting system. On Reddit, brigading is often employed as a silencing tactic by those who wish to undermine the presence of competing political agendas or opinions.
Brigading IS a worse term than bullying because it functionally gets used to prevent the action.
If the libs had to say "we feel bullied because the mean fempire criticises us for being virulent misogynists" they eventually have moments of clarity among themselves where they can't help but realise they're the fucking ones with a problem. But instead they do "brigading is bad and not allowed" which has no requirement to assess what the brigaders are actually saying, doing or criticising. This in turn results in a reduced amount of self reflection.
There's a reason it caught on in the first place. Because it is USEFUL to the people that recognise it benefitted them. It is useful because it hides the purpose of the moderation behind layers of linguistic bullshit.
If we destroy the term through a campaign of calling it bullshit we functionally force both users and moderators to return to actually analysing what the "bullies" are saying and whether what they're saying actually breaks any rules. If it does break rules they can be moderated (the fascists) and if it doesn't break rules other than being an act of rightfully criticising racist, chauvinist, sexist, capitalist bullshit, then they will have to dance with that fact. If they moderate it anyway it outs the mods who are fans of all of those things and helps to cause agitation.
It is completely to our benefit to destroy this concept. Think strategically. If you game this out with enough things you'll see that there's very little to no downside for the left (or whatever you want to call those of us that aren't anarchists) while it is actually very difficult for the right.
I think if "bullying" had become the chosen term instead of "brigading", we would be here having the same discussion flipped around. I stand by my position that this is mere semantics and it's not worth spending energy to argue about.
If we destroy the term through a campaign of calling it bullshit we functionally force both users and moderators to return to actually analysing what the “bullies” are saying and whether what they’re saying actually breaks any rules.
In my experience, reactionaries are really good at following "the letter of the law" when they're doing the "bullying".
And because it works, we should be doing everything to facilitate making it happen more and eliminating barriers to it. I don't give a shit what it's called as long as we take away the methods of preventing it, because it benefits us and not the right.
In my experience, reactionaries are really good at following "the letter of the law" when they're doing the "bullying".
Nah they're dogshit at it. This just amounts to concern trolling, which is extremely easily moderated for what it is.
Honestly don't know why you spend so long arguing against this. Feels very stubborn. Waste of time. Like... Ffs just feels like everything drags out way longer than necessary with you when just "yep that's right" would've got us here much much faster. Feels really... Reddity. Debate for the sake of time wasting debate. Devil's advocate bullshit. I know you want leftist shit so get out of the way and help instead. Choo choo
Sorry if I knew that the only way this discussion can end in good terms is for me to agree with your on everything, I wouldn't have engaged.
You have your methods that fit you as a person. I have my methods that fit me and how I see the world. There's a reason I'm not a hexbear. It's OK to be different. It's OK to disagree on praxis so long as it's complementary. I won't try to stop you from bullying, but I also can't be bullied into adopting your praxis.
The guy's a wrecker. I'm glad I don't share an office with him because I suspect being his colleague every single discussion would be exactly like this where he takes up a contrarian position on literally everything to just be a fucking contrarian.
There is precisely zero benefit to the left with being against ""brigading"". It solely harms us. Provides zero benefits. And empowers the right.
This is not difficult to understand, absolutely zero argument against it in terms of strategic benefits to the left has been presented. Whether this fool realises it or not he is a textbook example of this 1944 guide written by the CIA on how to sabotage meetings in organisations:
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Wrecker is too soft a word for this shit. I'm absolutely done with tolerating him.
That's a very kind perspective, but naive to the struggle we face. The world needs to be liberated and db0 is practicing the ancient tradition of an anarchist having absolutely none of the scientific and social basis that makes leftists powerful. Every day wasted is another in which billions suffer; handwringing etc shows that it's not about any real praxis but instead personal "liberal" values which always fail to bring positive change. Db0 means well in the same way a politician does when they vote to support Israel.
In the interaction I had earlier, the issue raised with the KKE was because they had used their security to stop people from storming parliament in one of their protests against austerity in 2011 (link) sounds a lot like they stopped 'brigading'. (TBH I would also be in support of storming parliament at this point)
Brigading IS a worse term than bullying because it functionally gets used to prevent the action.
If the libs had to say "we feel bullied because the mean fempire criticises us for being virulent misogynists" they eventually have moments of clarity among themselves where they can't help but realise they're the fucking ones with a problem. But instead they do "brigading is bad and not allowed" which has no requirement to assess what the brigaders are actually saying, doing or criticising. This in turn results in a reduced amount of self reflection.
There's a reason it caught on in the first place. Because it is USEFUL to the people that recognise it benefitted them. It is useful because it hides the purpose of the moderation behind layers of linguistic bullshit.
If we destroy the term through a campaign of calling it bullshit we functionally force both users and moderators to return to actually analysing what the "bullies" are saying and whether what they're saying actually breaks any rules. If it does break rules they can be moderated (the fascists) and if it doesn't break rules other than being an act of rightfully criticising racist, chauvinist, sexist, capitalist bullshit, then they will have to dance with that fact. If they moderate it anyway it outs the mods who are fans of all of those things and helps to cause agitation.
It is completely to our benefit to destroy this concept. Think strategically. If you game this out with enough things you'll see that there's very little to no downside for the left (or whatever you want to call those of us that aren't anarchists) while it is actually very difficult for the right.
I think if "bullying" had become the chosen term instead of "brigading", we would be here having the same discussion flipped around. I stand by my position that this is mere semantics and it's not worth spending energy to argue about.
In my experience, reactionaries are really good at following "the letter of the law" when they're doing the "bullying".
It doesn't matter. The point is that it works.
And because it works, we should be doing everything to facilitate making it happen more and eliminating barriers to it. I don't give a shit what it's called as long as we take away the methods of preventing it, because it benefits us and not the right.
Nah they're dogshit at it. This just amounts to concern trolling, which is extremely easily moderated for what it is.
Honestly don't know why you spend so long arguing against this. Feels very stubborn. Waste of time. Like... Ffs just feels like everything drags out way longer than necessary with you when just "yep that's right" would've got us here much much faster. Feels really... Reddity. Debate for the sake of time wasting debate. Devil's advocate bullshit. I know you want leftist shit so get out of the way and help instead. Choo choo
Sorry if I knew that the only way this discussion can end in good terms is for me to agree with your on everything, I wouldn't have engaged.
You have your methods that fit you as a person. I have my methods that fit me and how I see the world. There's a reason I'm not a hexbear. It's OK to be different. It's OK to disagree on praxis so long as it's complementary. I won't try to stop you from bullying, but I also can't be bullied into adopting your praxis.
What is this picture supposed to mean? I think /u/db0 has a good point. Both methods are valid for different cases. There is nothing wrong with it.
The guy's a wrecker. I'm glad I don't share an office with him because I suspect being his colleague every single discussion would be exactly like this where he takes up a contrarian position on literally everything to just be a fucking contrarian.
There is precisely zero benefit to the left with being against ""brigading"". It solely harms us. Provides zero benefits. And empowers the right.
This is not difficult to understand, absolutely zero argument against it in terms of strategic benefits to the left has been presented. Whether this fool realises it or not he is a textbook example of this 1944 guide written by the CIA on how to sabotage meetings in organisations:
Wrecker is too soft a word for this shit. I'm absolutely done with tolerating him.
I might sound really stupid, but what does it means. I feel it is not meant literally.
Anyway, my personal moto is
peace between us, war to the lords. I think you and /u/db0 are valuable people in spreading the word against capitalism.That's a very kind perspective, but naive to the struggle we face. The world needs to be liberated and db0 is practicing the ancient tradition of an anarchist having absolutely none of the scientific and social basis that makes leftists powerful. Every day wasted is another in which billions suffer; handwringing etc shows that it's not about any real praxis but instead personal "liberal" values which always fail to bring positive change. Db0 means well in the same way a politician does when they vote to support Israel.
In the interaction I had earlier, the issue raised with the KKE was because they had used their security to stop people from storming parliament in one of their protests against austerity in 2011 (link) sounds a lot like they stopped 'brigading'. (TBH I would also be in support of storming parliament at this point)
It's from a meme, in which in that panel, he usually says "Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?"
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