That sort of online bickering seems inconsequential to me, so I tend not to pay attention to it too much, but that's of course a subjective opinion. He's been pretty consistent with his position on Joe - in that he's more susceptible to pressure from the left than Trump. That's a low bar of course, and if you don't buy the lesser evil argument, or are an accelerationist or whatever, it's not going to convince you. Bug none of us can predict the future or know for the certain the best way for us to reach that utopian socialist future, so I find the presence of such differences in perspective as to the best path forward to be understandable.
And at least from what I've seen the shit talk generally tends to be back and forth, rather than completely 1 sided.
We can't predict the future but we can learn from the past and voting Dems has done nothing for the leftist movement the last 100 years. They are just as staunchly anti communist as the right and the Dems don't even like Bernie. What makes you think they give a shit what tankies or anarkiddies have to say? We need to amplify a Succdem to show the working classes what is possible and use that to start a proper movement outside of electoralism. Biden is not that.
Dems has done nothing for the leftist movement the last 100 years.
I've gotten flack for this take before, but I kinda think The New Deal etc. was better than nothing. 50, 60, 70 years idk, you're right, but although things seem to be getting worse over time, they're still better in some ways than they were in like, 1900.
They are just as staunchly anti communist as the right and the Dems don’t even like Bernie
Very true.
What makes you think they give a shit what tankies or anarkiddies have to say?
I don't think they do. The bar is very very very low here, it's more just a well, maybe the secret police will be slightly more inclined to shoot us in the legs than the eye? It's fucking awful. But we're not solving the larger problems through electoralism.
We need to amplify a Succdem to show the working classes what is possible and use that to start a proper movement outside of electoralism. Biden is not that.
We need a proper movement, that is for damned sure. But we shouldn't be putting all our eggs in one basket, and hinge our dreams on the hope that the presence of a mythical political representative will create a massive upswell in support its own and bring about a revolution. Barring catastrophic events on an unimaginable scale, the fight for getting leftist ideology disseminated and accepted is going to take a while, and we'll need to remain in a society that, at the very least, allows us to exist. In my mind, it kind of comes down to whether increased social unrest from keeping Trump in charge can be capitalized upon to an extent that surpasses a potentially quicker erosion of norms regarding personal rights. Will Biden's mere presence give people the permission to stop paying attention to politics entirely again, or are the consequences of late stage capitalism at a point where political realities cannot be ignored? I don't have an answer to these questions, hence my current ambivalence towards the issue.
That sort of online bickering seems inconsequential to me, so I tend not to pay attention to it too much, but that's of course a subjective opinion. He's been pretty consistent with his position on Joe - in that he's more susceptible to pressure from the left than Trump. That's a low bar of course, and if you don't buy the lesser evil argument, or are an accelerationist or whatever, it's not going to convince you. Bug none of us can predict the future or know for the certain the best way for us to reach that utopian socialist future, so I find the presence of such differences in perspective as to the best path forward to be understandable.
And at least from what I've seen the shit talk generally tends to be back and forth, rather than completely 1 sided.
We can't predict the future but we can learn from the past and voting Dems has done nothing for the leftist movement the last 100 years. They are just as staunchly anti communist as the right and the Dems don't even like Bernie. What makes you think they give a shit what tankies or anarkiddies have to say? We need to amplify a Succdem to show the working classes what is possible and use that to start a proper movement outside of electoralism. Biden is not that.
I've gotten flack for this take before, but I kinda think The New Deal etc. was better than nothing. 50, 60, 70 years idk, you're right, but although things seem to be getting worse over time, they're still better in some ways than they were in like, 1900.
Very true.
I don't think they do. The bar is very very very low here, it's more just a well, maybe the secret police will be slightly more inclined to shoot us in the legs than the eye? It's fucking awful. But we're not solving the larger problems through electoralism.
We need a proper movement, that is for damned sure. But we shouldn't be putting all our eggs in one basket, and hinge our dreams on the hope that the presence of a mythical political representative will create a massive upswell in support its own and bring about a revolution. Barring catastrophic events on an unimaginable scale, the fight for getting leftist ideology disseminated and accepted is going to take a while, and we'll need to remain in a society that, at the very least, allows us to exist. In my mind, it kind of comes down to whether increased social unrest from keeping Trump in charge can be capitalized upon to an extent that surpasses a potentially quicker erosion of norms regarding personal rights. Will Biden's mere presence give people the permission to stop paying attention to politics entirely again, or are the consequences of late stage capitalism at a point where political realities cannot be ignored? I don't have an answer to these questions, hence my current ambivalence towards the issue.
I'm way too high to parse this shit.
Ironic. Seeing as I wrote this because I was way too high.