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The fucking report comes from the US National Security council, too, I think.
Doesn't matter. The news is going to uncritically spread this bullshit anyway.
I bet it was as Sinclair station. They try to slip so much shit into their broadcasts. I think they're worse than Fox News because at least FN is over-the-top and obvious. Sinclair (a company owned by a reactionary who buys up local TV stations) leverages peoples' trust in the local news to be "unbiased" to tell conservative narratives.
Once again there has been genetic research which shows which strain of previously known coronavirus it came from. It is closely related to it, which is completely expected for a wild disease. If it were made in a lab we would expect many novel traits and changes, rather than just the few seen in COVID - 19.
I wouldn't have read it if not linked by a comrade, but there was a (more realistic than this most likely) theory in New York mag from this year that mentioned this could've been the possibility, either from a wild sample directly or one that was being modified as part of an early vaccination effort, citing the 1977 flu epidemic as a similar thing where it came from a lab accident.
It seems realistic enough that it could happen, and it could've happened anywhere, but I also personally don't care what the origins of this are since it's ultimately irrelevant to the facts of what covid has done due to govt inaction globally, along with the inhumane herd immunity strategy pursued here in America, the UK, and dozens of other countries world wide, along with the horrible vaccine rollout strategy.
Finding the origins of the pandemic is not irrelevant. If the lab leak theory - the plausible accident one, not the bioengineered virus conspiracy - is correct, it would have gigantic effects on the scientific community. You would probably see virology as a field of study transform overnight.
Oh yeah, I agree with that. Like you said it would have large impacts in virology and in the geopolitical sense as well since I'm sure western leaders will try to move any disease and vaccine research out of this lab in a reactionary sense by claiming they can't handle any future disease or vaccine research because of this accident.
To clarify what I mean by it being "irrelevant" to me personally, I mean in the sense that it's irrelevant to most local organizing, tenant or mutual aid, I've done and many other comrades across the country have done in the last year, with trying to help with the symptoms of the global pandemic and the awful response here. Whether covid came from a lab accident or the wild, our government still failed us in providing even the smallest safety net to improve people's material conditions, and we had to step up and organize and agitate around it. That's not to say I am advocating for scientific illiteracy, but that at some point things have far too many degrees of separation in the current moment from affecting or improving material conditions in the now.
For the sake of argument let's say the lab accident theory is true. So COVID-19 was a natural virus, it was not genetically engineered in any way, but it transmitted to humans while being studied in a lab. The scientific community would need to upgrade safety standards for research to ensure this never happened again. What do you do about all of the scientists - both Western and Chinese - who immediately tried to dismiss the lab-leak theory? Those people should lose their right to practice science. What if the experiment that caused the virus to leak was funded by the US or Europe? There would probably be questions as to whether finding viruses to study them should even be allowed at all moving forward. It would be an accident that would make Chernobyl look like spilled milk.
What do you do about all of the scientists - both Western and Chinese - who immediately tried to dismiss the lab-leak theory? Those people should lose their right to practice science.
This is a bad idea, scientists shouldn't lose the right to practice science for being wrong.
Oh - my comment might have been unclear. I meant people connected to the lab who may have covered it up or nto been forthright with investigators. 100% agree that being wrong is fine.
Whatever happened to them finding it in europe before wuhan?
That's from the same bad science (small sample size (1), not been reproduced) that fuels antivaxx nonsense. It's been brought up at least 20 times on this website, so you should know better.
I haven't seen it brought up since like months ago when that news first broke so I had no clue. Wouldn't antivaxxers want corona to come from a lab in wuhan to justify war with China?
Who cares, my only issue is propagandizing bad science and misinformation, so let's not join the ranks of antivaxxers.
Well I care. I don't want to push state department propaganda that wuhan came from a lab when I've yet to see solid evidence from a non-government org. afaik the theory that it came from a wet market still sounds solid.
I agree, I just meant the feelings of antivaxxers about Wuhan Lab Theory is a non sequitur to the European Origin Theory I see peddled here constantly based on that one water sample.
That's not the only evidence it was circulating before. Frankly I don't care about the origin, but "it may have circulated elsewhere prior to Wuhan" is both more supported and less ridiculous than the lab theory. Thinking it's possible is definitely not tantamount to anti-vaxx.
Rich talk from them when they were posting fuckin' BBC propaganda 2 months ago here.
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https://hexbear.net/post/97205/comment/1069295
The BBC image they posted: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/cpsprodpb/56C1/production/_109790222_panorama-how-to-brainwash-a-million-people_251119_pp.jpg
This is not true. They found Covid 19 antibodies all over Italy in 2019 in blood samples they collected for a different study. It was top notch researchers involved.
From the study:
The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27W1J2
How is it sample size 1? I was under impression that in addition to the antibody studies, they looked for hospital admissions in China and Europe prior to the Wuhan outbreak.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-circulated-europe-china-before-wuhan-outbreak-2020-12
Yeah NBC news ran a story like that a while back when the WHO investigation team's report came out, even though the actual scientist types were saying they had no evidence of that happening. Drives me crazy when they subsequently run handwringing stories about anti-Asian hate crimes, without so much as an ounce of self-awareness.
Local stations have become so trash thanks to corporate ownership. It's really frustrating.
New evidence from US intelligence, which no one else has access to. Sounds legit.
She’s right about everyone holding diseases in a lab. There was an Ebola outbreak in Northern Virginia for that exact reason.
They know what they're doing of course. "We're just asking questions!!!"
Imagine if the fairness doctrine were still in place and these talking heads were forced to also mention this could have also come from a US military base.
Unless you're in a big city there's a good chance it was Sinclair, most stations are affiliates of larger networks and not network operated directly.
