They're the one of the only countries in the world that seems to be serious about them. Projected to meet Paris accord goals earlier than agreed.
Beijing tightly limits the maximum price of electricity—causing generators to reduce their supply or shut down rather than lose money.
It sucks to lose power, but if the choice is between electricity rationing for all vs increasing the price (aka electricity rationing for the poor), I think most people here would choose electricity rationing for all. Everything else in this article is about how interconnected the global economy is - the pandemic fucked up global supply chains, China has reduced electricity generation as a result of their fucked up coal supply (which is partially exacerbated by the dumb "trade wars" between them and Australia/the US), this reduces the output of Chinese factories, which further fucks up global supply chains.
Also, China does the opposite of America when there's power shortages.
They shut down Factories > Commercial centers > Homes
The US goes Homes > Homes > Homes
"If your house is cold, stay at work!"
Money is still a proxy for labor hours. A poor one, but it discourages waste and "entrepreneurs" setting up Bitcoin farms and raising emissions.
Mismatching exchanges of labor value causes or exacerbates shortages and inflation. Look at the trouble Venezuela got into by over-subsidizing food when supply could not meet demand.
Or (oversimplified) when Soviet factories overpaid certain workers and allowed them to trade the equivalents of 1 hours work in energy generation for 2 hours work in agriculture, allowing workers to buy more meat and speciality items that distributers could fulfill.
Look at the trouble Venezuela got into by over-subsidizing food when supply could not meet demand.
Could you give me some links to read up more about this from a leftist perspective?
Or (oversimplified) when Soviet factories overpaid certain workers and allowed them to trade the equivalents of 1 hours work in energy generation for 2 hours work in agriculture, allowing workers to buy more meat and speciality items that distributers could fulfill.
Damn.
Happy to see you posting again Guy Dudeman.
Since you're still here, I'd like to cure your liberalism about Gandhi.
Gandhi believed that Jews shouldn't have tried to resist the Holocaust.
That's a very twisted misinterpretation of his words and intentions. I found this interesting from the article:
In March 1939, Shohat spent four days speaking to Gandhi at his ashram and emerged discouraged, feeling that Gandhi had adopted an Arab perspective of Zionism.
Based Gandhi.
:michael-laugh: The professional Gandhi defender is clicking through to the 4-month old thread to defend Gandhi.
https://hexbear.net/post/116165/comment/1309425
Cool, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust and the following Gandhi quote.
“Hitler killed five million [sic] Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs…It would have aroused the world and the people of Germany… As it is they succumbed anyway in their millions.”
Also, same thread:
“Gandhi advocated only for non-violent resistance to the Nazis and sent a conciliatory letter to Adolf Hitler in which he addressed the Fuhrer as a “friend” and wrote that he did not believe the German dictator was the “monster” his opponents described.”
rather than reading excerpts curated to make him look like some sort of nazi collaborator (like Stalin or something)
:michael-laugh:
In most countries, these prices would be passed on to consumers, but Beijing tightly limits the maximum price of electricity—causing generators to reduce their supply or shut down rather than lose money.
Why aren't these energy generators nationalized? I thought this was a communist country??
I thought this was a communist country?
Why? Even the biggest red hardliner inside the CPC wouldnt tell you that. They openly declare and accept that they are barely entering preliminary stages of socialism adapted to chinese conditions.
Maybe a little less attempts to dunk on them for not having fully nationalized and demarketized everything and not being in a state they wouldnt even dare to claim they are and a little more understanding and reading about what they actualy say and how they openly describe their economy and why its the way it is
I recognize the OP's username. They were the same person who derailed a thread a while back by going on a tear about China and Tankies (a term I use non-pejoratively). I also remember them also going into right-wing conspiracy shit about China lying about their Covid numbers in the process.
Based on that, I presume this thread was primarily made for the purpose of going "See!? See!? China Bad! China Bad! See how delusional you tankies are!?"
They've also been posting russiagate shit lmao, total bad faith poster with a terminal case of
:brainworms:
I mean, they just uncritically posted a foreignpolicy article.
They are a lib, which means that the lib-to-left pipeline is still open.
I hope so, is the policy education followed by bullying if they refuse to listen still?
Yes, but compassionate bullying. Bully their ideas but not them (as long as they are open to learn). If they start posting like chuds, treat them like chuds.
Considering the way they've been acting and their fixation on this, I really don't have much hope.
EDIT: In addition, I can't imagine any of the China Bad users on this site even talking like this guy. Their posts just reads so.... I dunno, inorganic?
My philosophy aligns more with Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Bookchin than it does Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao etc.
I've not "been posting russiagate shit". Where do you get off saying that?
lmao, you do know it's in the modlog for anyone to see, right? Literally the latest entry.
Notably, you also think China have been lying the whole time about their COVID response.
you do know it’s in the modlog for anyone to see, right? Literally the latest entry.
What is? What did I say that was "russiagate shit"? Are you talking about the existence of bot/troll farms? Because if you don't think they exist, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
you also think China have been lying the whole time about their COVID response
I never said "the whole time". But if you look at their numbers, that flatline is highly suspect and makes zero sense.
Well, you’ll just have to excuse my ignorance, being an American
:peltier-laugh: :lmayo:
Also:
:mao-shining: No investigation, no right to speak!
:soviet-bashful: This is a defining moment in my life, I'd like to thank the :LIB: wrecker, along with everyone else who got me to this point. :mao-wave:
Nope you're not forgiven go and read things before having opinions is a low bar.
It's OK, the website has an emoji for absolutely everything. In this case: :wall-talk:
Yes, why do they and why haven't you done any reading to inform yourself of this history despite a forum of communists telling you the same thing over and over?
This is an easy question to answer but you've already demonstrated bad faith bullshitting so I'm not going to be your teacher until you show some fucking humility.
You acknowledge your ignorance, yet you don't make any attempts to remedy that? And you expect to be taken seriously?
You are presented with factual information and then throw a temper tantrum and cover your eyes.
they appear to be state-owned companies that compete against each other in a market
https://energyiceberg.com/state-owned-power-utilities/
Do you know how difficult it would take to set up and maintain a command economy for 1.4 Billion people that also has to deal with the stupidity and fickleness of a global capitalist hegemony?
China's GDP per capita is still only 2/3rds of what the Soviet Union achieved and it's already captured a massive number of global industries and labor-saving techniques used by global capital.
The late-Soviet command economy could not overcome global capitalism, there's no reason why the Chinese should adopt it long term. The current economic structure is rooted in the early Soviet NEP and theoretical proposals by Bukharin and will be followed until economic planning, production, distribution and exchange can be properly denominated in labor hours. Which is not an easy task. The hybrid system used by the Soviets of attempting to approximate labor-time with currency produced its own problems. Black markets and contradictions were the cancer that killed the Soviet Union and it's not worth repeating their mistakes. 70 years of drastically reduced exploitation, happy lives, and the liquidation of the bourgeoisie class is not preferable to a permanently sustainable economic model that can withstand seige and encirclement by global capitalism.
The late-Soviet command economy could not overcome global capitalism, there’s no reason why the Chinese should adopt it long term. The current economic structure is rooted in the early Soviet NEP and theoretical proposals by Bukharin and will be followed until economic planning, production, distribution and exchange can be properly denominated in labor hours. Which is not an easy task. The hybrid system used by the Soviets of attempting to approximate labor-time with currency produced its own problems. Black markets and contradictions were the cancer that killed the Soviet Union and it’s not worth repeating their mistakes. 70 years of drastically reduced exploitation, happy lives, and the liquidation of the bourgeoisie class is not preferable to a permanently sustainable economic model that can withstand seige and encirclement by global capitalism.
Do you have any leftist reading recommendations on Soviet planning (and its failures)?
This is a communist community so you might want to go read about what that is and why countries have been called communist before getting the idea that you aren't a dumbfuck on this topic at the moment.
I am a communist. I am an anarcho-communist/communalist. I am anti-authoritarian.
lol you need to go do reading this isn't like picking out a car color.
:wojak-nooo: noooooooo anarcho-communism and communalism are the same thing (actually something he said)
Actually, it is. It’s exactly that. And it should be. Because we’re never going to get the masses on our side without it being easy to understand.
Pack it up folks, Marxism is cancelled.
It is easy to understand, you simply haven't tried - but you still want to have an opinion about it so you pretend that you don't need to.
You :cope: by lying your ass off. You're not unique in this. Overcome your insecurity and you'll be able to engage in good faith.
I am an anarcho-communist/communalist
Maybe get that one straight and pick one before bragging about it lol.
"Authoritarian" is a meaningless buzzword. On behalf of everyone here I am begging you to read before posting.
I have read quite a lot, actually. That's how I know what I like and what I don't like, and how I have chosen an-com/communalism as my preferred philosophy.
Might be the play? If enough stink is raised maybe they will decide to take control back. Also it might be “nationalised” but not under federal control so subject to heavy provincial corruption.
I invite anyone reading this to open the Modlog and search for OP's username.
civil conversation
tells me I, personally, am the reason people think communists are assholes
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