• Edelgard [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    "I'm actually on the side of a CIA"

    Cool, time to join them.

    :stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2:

  • CrimsonSage [any]
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    3 years ago

    "I am actually on the side of the Gestapo when it comes to Communists." -Liberals circa 1930

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      This, but like, not as a joke. They actually were, check the NYT for some suspiciously positive coverage of Hitler in 1939.

      Seriously, less than two weeks before the war started and long after camps were opened and Czechoslovakia was invaded.

      • Hoodoo [love/loves]
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        3 years ago

        More evidence that appeasement theory was always just revisionist propaganda.

        They wanted to appease Germany right into invading the USSR. Getting him to invade countries was the point!

      • CrimsonSage [any]
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        3 years ago

        Yep! That's why it's so fucking funny.

        Note: Its not funny... this timeline is so fucking dark.

    • Edelgard [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Yeah, most of them were until the US declared war on Germany.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Literally half of Reddit Politics in the modern era.

      Anyone remember when that site was just spillover from tech forums, and the worst thing you had to put up with was some wanna-be econ nerd who stanned Ron Paul?

  • sokopsisss [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I love the underlying implication that support of marginalized people is contingent upon them remaining marginalized.

    • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      It's a pretty succinct distillation of the RadLib worldview. Only martyrs, never successful leaders. Only failed revolutions, never any that achieved national liberation.

      • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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        3 years ago

        Winning means selling out. You don't want to be a sell out, do you?

            • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              This is slightly less funny than it should be, because a lot of people actually seem to believe it.

              • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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                3 years ago

                I know, it's the same mindset as "if you display any emotion, you're irrational and therefore wrong"

          • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            The violence required to change things may be less than violence required to maintain our current way, but it's still violence and therefore we're at an impasse :shapiro-gavel:

        • effervescent [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          I can’t remember the exact quote, but somewhere in The End Of The Tour, the David Foster Wallace character says something to the effect of this. When you’re small and unknown you convince yourself that the big players are sellouts and that your work is pure for being obscure. Then when you get big, you still judge yourself by those same metrics and it feels hollow

  • Deadend [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Isn’t that what countries do to spies?

    The fact the CIA hasn’t said it’s a lie and they actually got their spies out.. well, it’s a good idea to not work with the cia from the sounds of things.

    • Alex_Jones [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Julius Rosenberg and Ethel Rosenberg (née Greenglass) were American citizens who were convicted of spying on behalf of the Soviet Union. The couple were convicted of providing top-secret information about radar, sonar, jet propulsion engines and valuable nuclear weapon designs (at that time the United States was the only country in the world with nuclear weapons). Convicted of espionage in 1951, they were executed by the federal government of the United States in 1953 in the Sing Sing correctional facility in Ossining, New York, becoming the first American civilians to be executed for such charges and the first to suffer that penalty during peacetime.[

      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Pretty sure these weren't all just informants. IIRC they got a bunch of spies.

        Edit: the headline in the screenshot says spies, too. Not sure if it's correct, but pretty sure the difference is nonexistent for at least some types of informants anyways.

      • Deadend [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        But it's important for word to get around that CIA doesn't care.

    • LangdonAlger [any]
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      3 years ago

      For every scrub who takes a paying job to inform for the CIA, there are dozens who either know not to help the oppressor or weren't privileged enough to get access to handlers. There were probably some well intentioned libs that got turned into narcs, maybe they'll see the light and turn double agent

  • FunnyUsername [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I'm actually on the side of the French when it comes to Haiti

    I'm actually on the side of the Nazis when it comes to the USSR

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    At least one of those CIA operatives was executed by a shot to the head in front of their colleagues in broad daylight in 2012. That's just the one I know China has done. It's probably happened a lot of times. The world is lovely sometimes.

    • Alex_Jones [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Where can I find out more about that? I hadn't heard about this

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        This article mentions it.

        The Chinese killed at least a dozen people providing information to the CIA from 2010 through 2012, dismantling a network that was years in the making, the newspaper reported.

        One was shot and killed in front of a government building in China, three officials told the Times, saying that was designed as a message to others about working with Washington.

        absolutely hilarious honestly

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    "I'm actually on the side of the CIA when it comes to china"

    SocDems, abridged.

  • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    “State execution is good when it’s used on civilian informers working for a state actor I don’t like”

    Since when are spooks fucking civilians lmfao. Face the wall now thanks.

  • 420clownpeen [they/them,any]
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    3 years ago

    Don't even know what the point of this story is. Are we supposed to feel bad for the CIA? Even your average troop-worshipping idiot would probably concede that the premise of being a spy is "if you're caught you're almost certainly fucked." Can't really hope for PoW status or any of the other international conventions countries sometimes choose to follow.

    • Alex_Jones [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Hey, we can't expect all of the other countries to deploy drones against spies.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      to the point of claiming the embargo is fake, they're an absolute nutter

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Didn't he re-evaluate his position after all of ML Twitter bullied him? I seem to remember something like that.

      Edit: looks like it, his timeline is full of pro-Cuba posts now, so it looks like he's at least better on that issue - still anti-China though.

      lol, he's quote-tweeting a guy saying that he's "borderline tankie at this point".

      OK, he's making a shitload of posts about independent Taiwan and "Chinese imperialism". lmao, at least he's better on the Cuba issue. Guy seems to be learning.

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        feels like he cynically realized he had to retreat from Cuba bashing to maintain any credibility for subsequent wrecking of the rest of AES

        • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          It's possible, but I doubt it tbh. He's probably just a bit clueless. :shrug-outta-hecks: I try not to pay attention to Twitter shit.

  • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    It's amazing how many times liberals are capable of moving their own goalposts before they start applying cynicism to CIA activity. No matter how many times the CIA breaks rules and never reforms, the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the side opposing the CIA. Liberal's default position is that CIA activity is justified until proven malicious. Over and over and over and over

  • RedArmor [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Oh no! Not our spies who overthrow governments and don’t contribute anything meaningful to society!