Conversation immediately goes towards, well they are solving poverty with Concentration Camps (I didn't even bring this ups). Like I do think shady shit is going down in Xinjiang, but Jesus it's China's issue and the US will absolutely not do anything good for the reason. It's funny how we were pointing out how the US never funds good people, but with China it's different. These people even agreed at the time Bolivia was a coup, just China is different. Only thing that calmed them down was saying "Do you think, given our track record, we could actually help China?" They agreed we would fuck things up more.

  • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I have stopped trying to argue about the facts on the ground in Xinjiang- I have no way of knowing the truth anyway. My main line of argument when discussing this stuff now is: “look, let’s set aside what is happening there, what the Chinese state is actually up to, even if it’s all true, do you seriously believe the US/the West gives a shit about muslims? They’ve spent the last twenty years imprisoning, torturing, invading, and bombing Islamic people. Isn’t it a little convenient they just started to care about them now that it gives them political capital to use against China?”

    • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I never went there. I just said and backed with Bernie Sanders saying that China has done more than any other country to eliminate poverty and they responded they probably did it with concentration camps. They did admit the US government is in no moral position to critique China on treatments of Muslims.

      • claz [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        How do they think poverty can be eliminated with concentration camps? Literally makes zero sense

    • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I have stopped trying to argue about the facts on the ground in Xinjiang- I have no way of knowing the truth anyway.

      This is generally my position. The argument doesn't interest me. First of all, there is so much history and so many forces involved in the political economy on our own continent that I couldn't pretend to understand the political economy and history of China. Yes, I have a rough historical outline, but I have faith that the Marxists over there have a much better understanding of the socioeconomic forces at play than some dimwit like myself.

      While I hate to watch party dogmatists argue with western idiots, I really have nothing to contribute myself. I'm just trying to come to grips with the material conditions in my own home turf in the meantime.