Alright, cool, thanks for that. I’m very, very conflict averse haha and I was getting a little too heated in another thread with another comrade, so I’m stepping back
I totally see what you’re saying though, fwiw. I just wish we had some really, really clear evidence or something that could put it all to rest but... I guess that’s not exactly the nature of international politics under global capitalism hahaha shakes red fist :red-fist:
I’ll prolly remain skeptical for now. But continue to do my best self-educating and tossing aside any unfounded beliefs I find I hold! :af-heart:
I'm too skeptical to portion out my skepticism toward one superpower based on how skeptical I am of another hahaha, I'm just skeptical of power. All of it. But I hear you, and trust me... I despise the usa haha, it's more than just skepticism, which I'll freely admit. I'm not from the usa or China, so to me they're both just global superpowers except China's a lot more functional and probably better in most ways. And also the usa has tended to be imperialist, including against China obviously. China much, much less so. But China's also probably not 'better' in absolutely every dimension? idk
When I think of China I legit don't think of it in terms of the usa/compared to the usa. I sometimes wish that the usa didn't have to be a part of the conversation when talking about other countries, tbh
I'm also not trying to, like, universally condemn China when I talk about the camps, by any means. Like they still do things like health care, climate change mitigation, pandemic response apparently, and incarceration rates waaay better than the usa. Which I guess I should say if I'm criticizing something as controversial as the camps. I'm just... not convinced these camps are all they're cracked up to be hahaha my country has a long history of interning ethnic groups in camps for various reasons, and I think I just have a hard time accepting 'maybe this time the camps aren't so bad, actually' hahaha 🤷♂️
What exactly about this situation is unique compared to the dozens of other times the West has attempted to discredit them? There's literally like two or three sources on this that are pumping out lies and you can see them easily every time.
So then I'd say well, he's lying about the secret place! It's a treadmill that no one wins, basically. It's hard to disprove.
It's okay, I'm honestly not heated at all. I know you mean well, and you are skeptical, but you aren't contemptuous.
Alright, cool, thanks for that. I’m very, very conflict averse haha and I was getting a little too heated in another thread with another comrade, so I’m stepping back
I totally see what you’re saying though, fwiw. I just wish we had some really, really clear evidence or something that could put it all to rest but... I guess that’s not exactly the nature of international politics under global capitalism hahaha shakes red fist :red-fist:
I’ll prolly remain skeptical for now. But continue to do my best self-educating and tossing aside any unfounded beliefs I find I hold! :af-heart:
I just think we're probably not going to get anything like that. I'd just ask if you remain skeptical, be double skeptical about whatever the US does!
I'm too skeptical to portion out my skepticism toward one superpower based on how skeptical I am of another hahaha, I'm just skeptical of power. All of it. But I hear you, and trust me... I despise the usa haha, it's more than just skepticism, which I'll freely admit. I'm not from the usa or China, so to me they're both just global superpowers except China's a lot more functional and probably better in most ways. And also the usa has tended to be imperialist, including against China obviously. China much, much less so. But China's also probably not 'better' in absolutely every dimension? idk
When I think of China I legit don't think of it in terms of the usa/compared to the usa. I sometimes wish that the usa didn't have to be a part of the conversation when talking about other countries, tbh
I'm also not trying to, like, universally condemn China when I talk about the camps, by any means. Like they still do things like health care, climate change mitigation, pandemic response apparently, and incarceration rates waaay better than the usa. Which I guess I should say if I'm criticizing something as controversial as the camps. I'm just... not convinced these camps are all they're cracked up to be hahaha my country has a long history of interning ethnic groups in camps for various reasons, and I think I just have a hard time accepting 'maybe this time the camps aren't so bad, actually' hahaha 🤷♂️
What exactly about this situation is unique compared to the dozens of other times the West has attempted to discredit them? There's literally like two or three sources on this that are pumping out lies and you can see them easily every time.