illiterate Jimmy Dore smoothbrains think workers are too dumb to understand historical materialism? That's fucking hilarious!!! I could never imagine such a joke :michael-laugh:
Why is there so much of this Patriotic Socialism BS all of a sudden?
The masses are being reached by Maupin
a bunch of kids and badly read "marxists", a good portion of whom have never read a lick of ML theory nor have ever been in a ML party, and another good portion who were right winger 4channers less than a year ago, "radicalized" online via idiotic twitch streamers feeding them de-contextualized and erroneously understood mined quotes, are being reached by a right opportunist ex-trot grifter.
"ex-trot grifter" Still an opportunist, so he's still a Trot :bugs-stalin:
"the masses" lmfao good god the levels of larp with this one. Also love the projected accusation of "classism" when it's PRECISELY what haz, maupin, and co are doing with their conceptualization of the masses and what they see the working class as consisting of. Unadulterated tailist trash.
Tailism is simping for class unconscious reactionaries rather than leading them towards a dialectical materialist consciousness: https://www.massline.org/Dictionary/T.htm
Where is the objectively pro-imperialist message? It doesn't exist. You only pretend that you don't understand this because you don't care about achieving socialism
No materialism mf thinks Amerikkka doesn't exist
some comments on their reactionary classism:
"you're diametrically opposed to educating the masses" and there's the strawman again. I said your a classist if you believe the only way to educate the masses is to be patriotic or whatever that means.
And there's the classism again. There is no reason, with proper education, the working class can't understand or digest the reality that their country is nothing to be proud of. In fact, the working class has felt first hand how little their country cares for them.
more smoothbrain comments, no wonder these people stan Jimmy Dore lmao:
The American people do not send their sons and daughters to die for the sake of "imperialism", they do it out of a desire to achieve a better life for themselves and their fellow countrymen.
The international working class do not send their sons and daughters to destroy soulless redditor radlibs for the sake of "communism", they do it out of a desire to achieve a better life for themselves and their fellow countrymen.
This entire message is to be directed at the non-politicized masses, not at you, therefore, it uses the meaning of "country" that they use. Being coherent is important.
"imperialism has nothing to do with the imperial core" very coherent class consciousness
I feel like your entire argument is based on the historically false idea working class people somehow cannot grasp marxism without it being watered down. This belief is what is classiest. You and I are not special. If we can be radicalized so can others, like in the October revolution. There is no need to be patriotic.
Actually Jimmy Dore fans are definitely "special" if you know what I mean :brace-cowboy:
Why is there so much of this Patriotic Socialism BS all of a sudden?
I don’t have direct evidence that it’s an op… but it really feels like an op.
Browderist patriotism was necessary for lubricating the associations necessary for building the popular front against fascism. Where is the popular front? What are the associations? Where is the party even? I do not understand the utility of patriotic posturing besides a way to start fights on the internet.
patriotic "socialists" on their way to explain to Mao why we should preserve Confucianism and colonial culture
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imagine trying to explain a single sentence of this post to a normie
Why did I tell BMF about genzedong in my last comment to them lmao what have I done!?!?
The US is the heart of the imperial core, the first great bourgeois-imperialist experiment and a prison of nations you don't want to be patriotic for and to that!
Yes the first step for a stable movement historically is having a nation but we don't have a nation but a prison of them. When the US in its present vast empire state collapses and the people within are free to reconnect with the land organically without the imperialist underpinnings then sure be as patriotic as you want until then no don't. You can hope to improve your nation then but don't try to improve an imperialist monster prison state to the detriment of the entire world.
Working class knows this shit way better than those classist bastards think that's why conspiracy theories are so popular. They think but have no framework.
I love how p much nobody is falling for this shit anymore. It was a flash in the pan that went nowhere and only exists to stir up useless arguments on the left. Actual committed communists have had the answer to the question about imperial core patriotism for decades.
I think "Patriotic Socialists," if they're not an op, are generally correct that most U.S. non-indigenous proles are at least passively patriotic. Not so many may be dedicated flag wavers but they still identify with the U.S. to the extent that "Death to America" and talk of overthrowing the state scares them, and they're skeptical of the idea that the U.S. could be the force for evil in the world that it is.
But that doesn't mean you start waving the flag yourself, it means you either start banging your head against that patriotic wall until it finally breaks, or accept that there will never be a national revolution of the whole U.S. on a similar scale to the USSR and China. In that case the only way forward is local organizing in prepartion for the inevitable balkanization of the empire.
The American people do not send their sons and daughters to die for the sake of “imperialism”, they do it out of a desire to achieve a better life for themselves and their fellow countrymen.
:same-picture:
Someone dug up a tweet of hinkle getting ratio'd by his dad the other day
