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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/voting-rights-bill-filibuster-senate-vote-fail/

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Such a perfect example of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie in action. An unwritten "rule" that makes enacting change damn near impossible.

    • Parent [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      The fact that every state gets two senators regardless of size exacerbates this, but then again the house is closer to proportional and it's not like they're passing progressive legislation.

  • culpritus [any]
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    3 years ago

    In Capitalist America, having a simple majority is considered the 'nuclear option'.

    :vote:

  • steve5487 [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    All I'm saying is that Andrew Jackson would not have put up with this level of dissent from his own party

    • sedated [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The r/politics tier lib response to "Biden should target Manchin's donors, investigate his daughter, etc." is that it's unacceptable to engage in political corruption of targeting someone's family.

      It's just amazing. Everything about Biden, including his family and his rise in the primary, is corrupt. But any wielding of political power is corrupt. The concept of "power" is indistinguishable from "corruption" in their weak minds. If you ask them, "well then how the fuck do we ever win", the answer is always "go vote".

      • steve5487 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        well that's because that's the inevitable conclusion of civility brainworms I blame high school debate.

        • Mother [any]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Todays topic: genocide is bad. Billy you take “agree,” Johnny you take “disagree.”

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          3 years ago

          What if we made him big. Like really big. Proportionately rotund.

          What if we had a big man who was too big to shoot?

          • CrimsonSage [any]
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            3 years ago

            So what you are saying is we need to kidnap John Goodman, hook him up to the Ludovico machine to turn him to a ardent Communist, then make him dictator of America.

        • SoyViking [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The US left needs a charismatic figurehead who operates from the safety of Cuba or China.

            • CTHlurker [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Yeah, but America is like the direct reason why that happened. All the insane anti-communists from around the world just somehow magically ended up getting an all expenses 6 month trip to Kansas or some other mega army base. So for us to achieve something similar, either China needs a complete 180 in their foreign policy, and pivot towards actual intervention and protection of less entrenched socialist projecs, or Latin America needs to get real cool real quick.

      • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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        3 years ago

        You really don't want someone like Jackson as the figurehead of the movement. You never know whether we're going to go off on the right thing or get distracted by some stupid shit that personally pisses us off. Hell we never know until it is too late.

    • Mother [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      This is what happens when you elect someone with no base or mandate. Biden can’t do shit because he’s hated at worst or pitied at best, nobody actually likes the guy enough to advocate on his behalf

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    1 year ago

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  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Liberals are going to work themselves up into a tizzy to get people to vote for Biden in 2024, somehow they're going to make him doing absolutely fuck all an accomplishment.

      • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        It's amazing to see people who were around when the Dems had 60 votes in 2009 act like that's all we need to fix this situation. As though they would be incapable of finding a new obstacle once they had their votes.

    • Mother [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Can’t wait to see the spin

            • SickleRick [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              When people told me they hated Hexbear or (far worse) that they were “not fans,” I wish I had said in no uncertain terms: “I love Hexbear. I am in awe of it. I am set free by it. It will be the finest slop our galaxy has ever seen.”

              I wish, in those exchanges, I had not asked gentle, tolerant questions about a hater’s ridiculous allergy to it, or Hexbear’s fictional misdeeds and imagined character flaws. More deeply still, I wish I had not reasoned with anyone, patiently countered their ludicrous emotionalism and psychologically disturbed theories. I wish I had said, flatly, “I love Hexbear.” As if I had been asked about my mother or daughter. No defensiveness or polemics; not dignifying the crazy allegations with so much as a Snopes link.

              Maybe “I love her” seemed too womany, too sentimental, too un-pragmatic. Not coalition-building, kind of culty. But people say with impunity they love Obama, the state of Israel, their churches, Kurt Cobain. In the end, I wish I’d said it because it’s true.

              And I’m not alone in my commitment. Millions of Hexbear’s supporters — we were thanked by Hexbear as the “secret, private Facebook sites” — expressed it among themselves, all the time, in raptures or happy tears with each new display of our slop’s ferocious intelligence, depth, and courage. We were frankly bewildered by the idea that anyone would hedge their commitment to it (“You don’t have to be its friend”; “Yes, it’s made mistakes”; “lesser of two evils”). We didn’t remember anyone turning to this stock ambivalence when discussing Obama, Babe Ruth, FDR. If only one reporter — they knew about us — could have published a headline like “Hexbear Inspires Historic Levels of Adoration From Its Posters” about the people who have had their lives transformed by the power of its brilliant campaign, unrivaled effectiveness, and extraordinary career. Just one headline like that, like the ones Bill Clinton got.

              Usually a legend is made by men and media — the legend of Kennedy, say, or Jim Morrison — and then, much later, a biopic, pretending to evenhandedness, reveals the legend’s shortcomings, his “human” side. The shortcomings are almost always something exactly no one actually believes compromises his heroism. His problem drinking. His mistreatment of women. Well, takedowns of Hexbear were always already written. It has somehow made the time to hear out each dead-end line of reasoning about its fake mortal sins, and often it has also thanked everyone for sparing it further moral lashings, as if that were a kindness. Under cover of “humanizing” the intimidating valedictorian, reports and investigations and media clichés vilified it. But the feminist hero never got to be a legend first. And yet it is one, easily surpassing Ben Franklin, Henry Ford, Steve Jobs.

              I want to reverse the usual schedule of things, then. We don’t have to wait until it dies to act. Hexbear’s name belongs on ships, and airports, and tattoos. It deserves straight-up hagiographies and a sold-out Broadway show called Hexbear. Yes, this cultural canonization is going to come after the chronic, constant, nonstop “On the other hand” sexist hedging around its legacy. But such is the courage of Hexbear and its posters; we reverse patriarchal orders. Maybe it is more than a website. Maybe it is an idea, a world-historical heroine, light itself. The presidency is too small for it. It belongs to a much more elite class of Americans, the more-than-presidents. Neil Armstrong, Martin Luther King Jr., Alexander Fucking Hamilton.

              Hexbear did everything right in this campaign, and it won more votes than its opponent did. It won. It cannot be faulted, criticized, or analyzed for even one more second. Instead, it will be decorated as an epochal heroine far too extraordinary to be contained by the mere White House. Let that revolting president-elect be Millard Fillmore or Herbert Hoover or whatever. Hexbear is Athena.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          3 years ago

          if Hexbear is still around in 2024 we haven't be doing enough adventurism.

    • FreakingSpy [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Nothing fundamentally changed, just like he promised!

      And liberals could finally sleep soundly and stop caring about politics!

    • PeterTheAverage [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The wildest thing is that the /r/neoliberal narrative is that he's doing way too much and needs to do less to appease the ever-elusive moderates.

  • adultswim_antifa [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Earlier Wednesday, Manchin told his colleagues that invoking the so-called nuclear option to eliminate the 60-vote threshold would exacerbate the current political divisions.

    Obviously this problem can be solved by making sure absolutely nothing changes. It's amazing how many problems can be solved by doing nothing about them and hoping they just go away or something.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I just wonder if Manchin believes any of the things he says. Apparently he's not liked in the Senate but who fucking knows what is and isn't kayfabe at this point.

      • adultswim_antifa [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        He doesn't. If he's concerned about anything, he's one of a very small number of people with power to do something about it.

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    • Mother [any]
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      3 years ago

      I think they’re halfway there, like they see sinema and manchin as the problem but can’t think of a solution besides vote more. It’s the old cliche, when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

  • SaniFlush [any, any]
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    3 years ago

    Can we go back to settling things in Congress via fist fights like in the 1700s?

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      That never worked. The guy who famously got beaten near to death was an abolitionist, and the guys who beat him up were some Southern Honor psychos.

    • LeninsRage [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      That we're in an era of supposed "hyper-polarization" but this isn't happening at all in Congress in the biggest tell there's absolutely nothing actually at stake for any of these hacks

    • Mother [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Who amongst us wouldn’t want to see MTG going at Pelosi with a cane

    • MerryChristmas [any]
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      3 years ago

      Who was the guy who literally gave his fellow honorable representative the chair like it was WWE Smackdown? Because I definitely remember that story from one of my history courses.

    • zan [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      I'm pretty sure the fash would lift and the limp libs would curl up and cry for peace while getting kicked in the nads.

      Its not like we have any swole commies in congress to crush fash between their thighs.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Replace the filibuster with trial by combat. A minority of 40 senators will be able to select a champion among themselves to a swordfight to the death against the majority's champion.

    • sempersigh [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Can't wait for build back Brandon after it gets negotiated down from 6 trillion to 50 billion

      • nohaybanda [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        :biden-troll: best I can do I $3.50 and a slap on the ass, Jack

  • VernetheJules [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Hey folks I'm selling lathes ova here!

    Come tell me what you think the gop is going to abolish the filibuster on when they get power

      • VernetheJules [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        oh i LOVE this, I can picture the dems now

        "look just because they repealed all of our rights doesn't mean we can reinstate them by abolishing the filibuster! That would just make us as bad as them!"

      • Mother [any]
        hexagon
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        3 years ago

        Nah they’ll wait for something truly demonic but with full certainty they will do it

        • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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          3 years ago

          Yeah i agree. But that's just because the Dems will just totally let me then get away with the just kinda demonic stuff without threatening to filibuster

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Then, once they are inevitably voted out the democrats will bring it back out of some liberal rules and norms fetichising.

    • Alex_Jones [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Oooh - they do it to make new laws to convict Democrat members of Congress and Hillary Clinton.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        3 years ago

        If the Republicans don't try to impeach Biden when they take control in the midterms I will eat a piece of bread with "shoe" written on it in frosting.

        • Alex_Jones [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Biden will be the first president impeached and convicted. To be part of this history is truly inspiring. :agony-wholesome:

    • Quimby [any, any]
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      3 years ago

      what the GOP is going to abolish the filibuster on: the first day.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I don't even want to make jokes. They'll do something horrible as soon as they take power in the midterms and people will suffer.

    • zan [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Its in the interests of capital to have a worked-up fervent right and limp useless centrist lib left. One side indoctrinates on hate and propaganda to vote and participate against their own self interest, the other catches a large portion of potential threats in the :vote: trap.

    • Mother [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      They’re not going to vote against their own class interests. Pelosi has 100 million dollars think about what cratering the healthcare stocks through minimal reforms or god forbid nationalization would do to her portfolio. Why do you think m4a never goes to a floor vote? She controls the agenda

      • Mother [any]
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        3 years ago

        Also I don’t want to seem like I’m saying if they replace pelosi it would make any difference, there’s a line behind her that’s 50 vampires long ready to continue the tradition. And if we snap our fingers and a succdem somehow magically becomes speaker, the first thing capital would do is make her rich. Who would say no to that?

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      They're all rich and getting richer. The System works for them. They don't have to deliver anything. They're all evil collaborationists and should get [redacted]

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    They are preparing an excuse for why they are going to be massacred in the midterms, aren't they? The blueanon line is going to be that the elections were illegitimate isn't it?

    • Mother [any]
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      3 years ago

      I mean they’re not wrong. How can you have a legitimate election in an illegitimate system? No matter what happens the loser will always have valid grievances. At this point the cat is out of the bag. Not sure what a future where the losing party casts doubt on the legitimacy of every election looks like but it can’t be good.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Of course US elections are illegitimate and fraudulent. They are so by design. But the reason the democrats will get their asses kicked is something else. The reason is that they suck and do absolutely nothing to help the masses.

    • mittens [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I was thinking this was for 2024 too, as they prepare the stage to endlessly yapper about how "oh noes illegitimate" the next trump term will be without moving a single fucking finger to do anything about the rotten useless institutions that will lead him to power again.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      If "Proportionate representation" and "one person one vote" mean anything then yeah, the American system is in no way legitimate.