Especially when online leftists throw around "idealism" as a meaningless label to dismiss ideas, and claim to be "materialists" themselves. Same vibes as "facts don't care about your feeling." They actually don't even use the correct definition of the word, using it to mean either idealists as in naive and unrealistic, or as in driven by ideals(yeah Im driven by material only, no ideas).

Engels was the first one who proposed the two camps of idealism and materialism. Later the vulgar "dialectical materialism" of Stalin turned this into a rigid division and unfortunately it caught on. In the end, intelligent idealism is still better than dumb materialism.

EDIT: This post actually shows how hopeless some self proclaimed leftists are, completely ignorant about PHILOSOPHY of all things. Is it really too much to ask to read a single page of Marx, and not parrot some other reactionary philosopher? Absolutely pathetic.

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I think the dichotomy is present in Marx, and arguably Hegel. And even Stalin acknowleges that HistMat is itself an idealist form.

    The mistake many leftists make is forgetting the second step of Material Reality -> Ideas -> Material Reality.

    I'd also doubt that intelligent idealism is less bad than, say, logical positivism. You can at least in principle argue your way into realising positivism is impossible.

    You can't always do that with a sophisticated idealist philosophy.

        • badtakes [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          phil 101 students have a better understanding of philosophy than you do jesus christ

            • badtakes [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Popper?? What's next, Hayek and Ayn Rand? You're actually so full of shit lmao

                • badtakes [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  Bizarre associations? Popper was very close to Hayek and literally said that he learnt the most from Hayek than anyone else. Besides if you have any critical thinking skill you would be able to see the futility of analytic philosophers like Popper and Kuhn coming up with stupid shit like fallibility. Their "philosophy" directly leads to the maintenance of the status quo and technocratic capitalism as the end of history.

                • badtakes [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  and to think that you had the audacity to tell me to read the german ideology, you are as much a marxist as jordan peterson is