We had a random post in an anarchist community on our Polish speaking instance. Some 45 English speaking accounts came out of nowhere to downvote it, with a single one engaging in discussion. None of them were ever active on the instance, nor particularly in this community. Seems they just followed every crosspost.
Mods could not really do anything about it, so the accounts were banned from the entire instance by admins, as this was considered hostile behaviour against our community.
Which rises the question; should people be able to vote, end specially downvote, in communities they are not a part of? Maybe this could be at least a setting?
Another interesting concept that came from the discussion over that was "constructive downvote" - requirement of commenting why one downvotes a post.
Another interesting concept that came from the discussion over that was “constructive downvote” - requirement of commenting why one downvotes a post.
Speaking only to this…
Hexbear chose to remove downvotes, and the “dunking” comments came to replace them. Getting ratioed is a thing, which purportedly started on Twitter.
The consensus on Lemmygrad came to be that (and I’m paraphrasing because I’m not sure of the original phrasing) “dissent without elaboration” is valid. We don’t always have the time or energy to articulate our dissent (and sometimes gish gallop doesn’t deserve it).
I see two "deep" issues here.
One of them is that it's damn hard to decide, in online communities, who should [not] be allowed to perform some action in a fair, transparent, and simple way. There's always some way to circumvent it, and always someone who should perform it but gets locked out.
For example: what would prevent me from subscribing to a comm, downvoting everything there, and then unsubscribing from it? Or just subscribing to comms to vote-brigade them, while newbies legitimately interested on the comm are unable to vote in it?
I have no good solution for this issue.
The second one is that this sort of Reddit-like voting system doesn't really work well. It's at most bidimensional (score vs. controversy, or up vs. downvotes); and yet there are a thousand reasons why people vote, and a thousand pieces of info that they can retrieve (or falsely believe to retrieve) from them. And depending on those reasons, the vote might be completely fine or not.
There are also more practical concerns; I believe that @davel@lemmy.ml's Hexbear example illustrates this well. If you anyhow hamper the ability to voice negative feedback through downvotes, people do it by noisier ways.
For this issue, perhaps a "reverse Slashdot" system would work better? Basically splitting the downvote (but not the upvote) into multiple categories (e.g. "disagree", "this doesn't contribute", "this is factually wrong" etc.). It wouldn't prevent this sort of voting brigade, but it would discourage it a tiiiny bit (you'd need more clicks per downvote), and make it more obvious.
If it was deliberate as you say it wouldn't change much, they could just hit subscribe, downvote, then unsub.
One thing that would be useful is having the per comm option to disable downvotes. So comms vulnerable/liable to this can just turn off downvotes entirely
Another interesting concept that came from the discussion over that was “constructive downvote” - requirement of commenting why one downvotes a post.
I think I like that idea.
