Well, not the same level (conservatives are clearly worse) but the line is increasingly becoming blurred in this day and age. Maybe I am looking at this wrong, but they are far more likely to shit on communism (while calling themselves lefist) and making excuses for the United States

I know "leftist infighting" has been a thing since forever, but it really seems like they're closer to reformed capitalism than anything resembling socialism...

  • blight [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    historically, socdems have been the least concerned with the threat of fascism. communists started antifa, socdems called in the freikorps. that the nazis later killed the socdems too should be proof that compromise with capital is impossible and socdemism is an idealist dead end.

    • footfaults [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Is anyone today alive that was there when that happened? You are arguing with people that have been dead for 80 years

      • blight [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        european socdems are all "strategically" trying to bring voters back from the new fascist parties not just by rhetoric, but actual policy. much in the same way that democrats are trying to out-republican the republicans. social democracy is alive and well. if even the ones that died all those years ago, that were actually linked with a broad worker's movement, couldn't stand up to fascism, what should we expect of their modern hollowed and corrupted counterparts?

        • footfaults [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Let's make sure we have our terms lined up (this is mostly me). Is the DSA in America socdem?

          • blight [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I don't know much about them, but they seem like a jumble of different orientations. What is their praxis? Getting Bernie elected? Discourse?