99% of the time, Materialism means being driven by greed(material wealth), while idealism means being driven by moral principles(ideals). This set of definitions is NOT the one that philosophers used.

Marx and Engels discussed materialism and idealism in philosophy, which is a completely different thing. Even in philosophy, both terms are extremely vague and are not enough to mean anything on their own without pages upon pages of elaboration.

It's laughable how online leftists throw around these words without even knowing what they mean. No, calling something "idealist" is not a valid critique and saying "material conditions" instead of "reality" does not make your argument stronger. Read an actual book for once and never ever use those words again. Save them for serious writing of substance.

  • VoiceOfChina [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    keep twisting my words lmao, my point cannot be more clear, and that is online leftists dont know the meaning of the words they are saying. everything in this thread is only proving my point, including you

    • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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      3 years ago

      You refuse to clarify anything or attempt to define the words you claim are being used wrong. If anyone is circlejerking in an ivory tower of academia it's you because literally everyone else here is like :jesse-wtf:

      • VoiceOfChina [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        I gave the definitions in the post, what is there to clarify? No one has asked for clarification. A definition of idealism I missed was idealism as in being naive to reality and living in delusion.

        • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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          3 years ago

          You then went on to denounce ivory tower intellectuals. You want to do real revolutionary work? Stop being a pedantic armchair "Marxist" (you keep throwing out labels for your interlocutors but assume none yourself).

          I am inclined to believe you're a contrarian/wrecker based on this thread. This is coming from an active labor organizer that actually does real fucking work so I don't take kindly to your attitude here.

          • VoiceOfChina [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            If you want to bring up an actual argument, I'm happy to listen but throwing out your qualification as an "active labor organizer" and taking issue with my attitude? I am a full member of the CPC so I'm inclined to think I have had a systematic marxist education as well as the real fucking work that comes with being in a functional party.

            • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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              3 years ago

              Calling bullshit because you wouldn't be making a post like this so hostilely intonated. This was :bait: from the start.

              I should have noticed when you said that most western leftists equate "materialism" with greed. Or the fact that you said "leftists" to begin with which is itself an ultimately meaningless term.