• DJMSilver [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Stop reading Weber and read more Marx. Most violence comes from private companies and the workplace.

    • Chapo0114 [comrade/them, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Most violence comes from private companies and the workplace.

      ??? It ain't the corpos bombing the middle east, or shooting black teens.

      • DJMSilver [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Have you heard of the companies Blackwater or Boeing? Wars are waged for the interest of private companies. The police are also regulatory functions that stem from the settler lynchings done by white people which are now part of the system as part of the 1960s compromise between Settlers and the bourgiosie to give a veneer of oversight, none of which are actually done by the "state" but local governments.

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Stop reading Marx and more queer theory. Most violence happens in the home.

          • DJMSilver [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            What's inefficient about it? All queetr theory is Marxism, the ones that dont and serve to affirm liberalism is not worth reading at all.

            • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              You can have an analysis about normalization and disciplinary violence which doesn't invoke relational class but still challenges liberalism by critiquing all of its institutions.

              • DJMSilver [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                ? It is all about class, it is why Engels writes that

                "Thus, on the one hand, in proportion as wealth increased, it made the man’s position in the family more important than the woman’s, and on the other hand created an impulse to exploit this strengthened position in order to overthrow, in favor of his children, the traditional order of inheritance. This, however, was impossible so long as descent was reckoned according to mother right. Mother-right, therefore, had to be overthrown, and overthrown it was. This was by no means so difficult as it looks to us today"

                I guess it does not have to be explicit about 'class' but you can read between the tea leaves and find the material basis is in class as long as you got historical materialism on your side.

                • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Material basis is not the same as class. Class is often part of it, but the bourgeoisie at this point could end homophobia and keep their profits in tact. Maybe there's a material basis, but it could be too complicated to describe in language. There is use in describing power as it exists and not worrying about its basis.

    • Nama [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The corpos control the state that gives them in turn legitimacy, so any violence originates from the corporations regardles. I get that.

      But you can't deny the immense potential for abuse the Soviet state still had. With no looming imperial power ready to conquer the imperial core upon its fall, I see no reason how we could justify tolerating even that remaining shred of violence.

      • DJMSilver [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        What "potential of absue" did the soviet state have? If you mean the abuse to repress capitalists then I am all for it. I'm interested in real concrete examples, not hypothetics or fantasies by liberals.

        • Nama [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Exectutions with little justification, forced conscription, forced relocations, expropriation of grain beyond reason, restrictions on press and newspapers, massive failed agriculture projects, nepotism/the enabling of corruption through officials, the measures taken against the bag-men as concrete example... a lot of it done with war in mind, but why even keep the state without war?

          But the real question is different. Why keep the state if you are a western imperial core? There is no fucking reason.