• Sphere [he/him, they/them]
    ·
    4 years ago

    I don't think you understand your audience at all, then. This isn't a liberal (or even "progressive") community; it's a leftist one.

    • Leftoid [none/use name]
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      4 years ago

      isn’t a liberal (or even “progressive”)

      Incredibly valuable insight.

      This is my naïveté on plain display...Every leftist space ive played in has had some extremely vocal progressive contingent, and not triggering them has been the key to some very interesting discussion.

      • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
        ·
        edit-2
        4 years ago

        Well if you're looking for discussion on the point you brought up above...

        Everyone in the world will try to screw you.

        This is a function of the capitalist system. As leftists we view this cutthroat philosophy within the culture as the result of a system built on exploitation.

        If some one steals your wages, your recourse is EXTREMELY strong

        This is fundamentally untrue. Wage theft amounts to at least a third of total theft in terms of the amounts stolen. And yet I never hear about thousands of people raking in lifelong payouts from successful lawsuits against thieving employers--perhaps because no one who needs to work to put food on the table is able to pursue one for an extended period of time, and pay all the legal costs for years until the lawsuit concludes (yes, if you win you can get your legal costs paid, but that's a huge gamble most people can't afford to make). And in fact, even a successful lawsuit only entitles you to the wages that were stolen, plus back pay. You can bet that even after winning, you'll still need to find a new job--so it's hardly worth it, especially given that employers who find out about your lawsuit are going to be a lot less likely to hire you.

        And all of this is missing the point of this post overall, which is that this entire system is rotten, and designed to protect these thieves, because they're the ones who have all the money and hence, all the power (they're capitalists--the ones who own the capital, particularly the means of production). My top-level comment, which you'll notice is well-liked, references Marxist theory regarding the exploitation of labor, which points out that profits are stolen labor-value (in short, the difference between what a laborer is paid and the exchange value of the products produced by that laborer--minus the cost of inputs--is being stolen from that laborer, by dint of the fact that the laborer is not the owner of the means of production, which under capitalism are private property owned by the holders of capital).