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I should've said my version of a metaphysics inspired by Deleuze, probably. I've read Capitalism and Schizoprhenia (though I did not like A Thousand Plateaus much) and What is Philosophy completely, but otherwise only fragments of work. I should also admit that I didn't understand hegel or marx well enough until after I had read deleuze, so I'm going through a small flip-flop at the moment. I'm no philosophy expert lol, just an communist engineer who reads. I have no aspirations to be the one to bring Deleuze and hegel/Marx together.
Deleuze definitely hated dialectics, though his reason for that often seemed steeped in a hatred of its all-encompassing power once taken as primal. His position as you put it still holds the possibility (imo) of derived identities having dialectical relations. This is what I meant. So not all derived identities will have dialectical relations, but some will emerge. Maybe this is super unoriginal, I dont know. But deleuze wouldnt have admitted it if it were true because he hated dialectics so much lol
Your last sentence I like, but it seems to implicitly be saying that metaphysics and dialectics are different but can both be true. Is this true to how you feel? That is kind of what I was hoping to start a convo about
Fair enough, I may have written this out too hastily as I ignored my work.
It's hilarious when high on LSD and pretty pointless otherwise, but knowing it is worth it just to troll the fuck out of conservative christians.
So you are of the opinion that it's mostly just pointless and not necessarily untrue in some way?
Of course it's not untrue, without an understanding of metaphysics, it's difficult to really get why and how dialectics works. That being said, our ability to perceive and access the metaphysical is at best impractical and at worst impossible. But it will be a fun thought experiment at the end of history.
2, but I want to say 1 just because of how much metaphysics has degraded the thought process of people I've met.
metaphysics, if present, are intrinsically unanalyzable. all attempts to analyze through a metaphysical framework is just assigning material conditions to the divine. fun for speculative fiction, antics if it's just a brief line of thought, problematic if you adopt it into your worldview, but as long as it doesn't distract you from the reality of class struggle, the materialist dialectic, and the physical world, it's just fun shit. shit otherwise.
Dialectics is within ontology/metaphysics, it is a way of describing the world/a norm on analyzing it. I am not personally convinced that everything is dialectical but that's as much criticism of Derrida and its trace as any Hegelian type stuff, but as a simplification it is useful for understanding feedback loops so very advanced for someone in the 19th century just not the end all be all. Metaphysics itself isn't useless, it is what frames the debate consciously or unconsciously, knowing yours and your enemies can make a world of difference on understanding how you should approach the situation (e g, someone believing in race essentialism should have their head bashed in), and the key here is to understand that metaphysics/ontology is inherently normative so it has both an impact on ethics (and vice versa) and can be useful practically (eg workers are essentially a relation of production). Any shit that talks self seriously about a descriptive metaphysics is too assured about his individual capacity to pierce a supposedly existing veil of truth that also, coincidentally, has supposedly not been pierced by anyone else, but centering workers, centering dual change, centering production relations, centering large blocks of society, are all useful ways to create the basis for a positive change of society (towards communism)
