:heartbreaking: round II nato edition
Turkey is such a fascinating country, geopolitically. It's always fun to see just how obviously NATO barely tolerates them.
Only NATO country to have been at war with another NATO country, afaik
Edit: somewhat indirectly, of course
Haven't they also been posturing with planes against the Greeks a couple of times? Or am I wrong and there is 0 hostility whatsoever between the Greeks and the Turks
Ah, there it is. Just two NATO allies being friends, good buddies, and comrades in arms :wholesome:
:comfy:
I wonder if this is where we’ll first see an F-16 shoot down another F-16. MiG on MiG combat has been a thing, of course (most recently in Ukraine but I’m sure there’s been more in the post-Soviet past), but the disintegration of the US’s sphere of influence will inevitably go “hot” (:trump-anguish: ) at some point
I tried to find info on the Tajik Civil War, but it seems no one in the Opposition had planes, and the Tajiks relied on Russia for air-support but seemingly never had to dogfight. I assume some of Egypt's wars as well as India's have seen MiG vs MiG combat
Yes, indeed - hence my saying it was somewhat indirect. Greece is a NATO member, and they were a belligerent in the war. ELDYK (and supposedly a Greek airborne battalion) were involved in multiple battles in the war. Hence, Turkey, a NATO country, were at war with Greece, another NATO country.
who lets the greeks put a battalion in the country they were fomenting communal violence in lmao. the UN peacekeepers were already in the country preinvasion
The Turks just want the rest of Europe to concede that they count as White.
If Turkey was admitted to the EU, I suspect Erdogan would be more than happy to grant Sweden and Finland NATO membership. But there's some bad fucking blood between the cowardly fascist hicks of Scandinavia and the Birthplace of European Civilization that is Turkey.
Watch as snow white scandinavian succdems throw kurds under the bus after this without giving a second thought.
It's not like they haven't done it before.
Danish prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen had lied and manipulated his nation into the illegal and unprovoked invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and was scheduled to be appointed head of NATO as a reward for his loyal service to the Bush regime. The deal had been made behind the scenes and just had to be announced.
But Turkey wouldn't have it. For years the Kurdish TV station ROJ TV had broadcasted from Copenhagen. Turkey had tried many times to get them closed down but every time they were found to be obeying Danish law. They made it perfectly clear that they would veto Anders Fogh Rasmussen's appointment if he didn't close down ROJ TV.
Nothing was official yet and we will never know exactly what went on in the smoke-filled rooms. What we can know is that suddenly Danish authorities made a U-turn and revoked ROJ TV's broadcasting license for supporting le terrorists. Shortly after Anders Fogh Rasmussen was officially appointed head of NATO.
As a fun side note one of the most important events of Rasmussen's time in government is how he choreographed himself a principled freeze peach warrior during the Muhammed cartoon crisis, where international Muslim uproar over racist cartoons was used as ammunition in the far right's culture war. Racist harassment of a minority was protected by freeze peach, standing in the way of Rasmussen's career wasn't.
If Erdogan manages to keep us out of NATO I might legit start making excuses for him. This is not sarcasm. He is awful, and I will always remember that, but if he manages to make my country not a part of NATO that will always be the first thing I think about. Like if some total asshole had for some reason carried you out of a burning building I will have to constantly remind myself that he sucks, and my instinctive response would be that he is a hero.
But Turkey doesn't run NATO. He will submit, and Sweden and Finland will join and that just sucks.
Sweden and Finland will throw Kurds under the bus until Turkey is happy and then they'll be allowed to join.
Yep, that has been my prediction too, and I've got my hands on the lathe
He's just baiting them, probably didn't like the state of negotiations for turkey. Would be pretty based if he declined them anyway though.
Based but for the wrong reasons. Supporting the PKK against Turkey is based. Turkey is the biggest terrorist safe harbor on earth, filled to the brim with ISIS and Al Qaeda.
It’s hilarious all the contradictions this war is exposing. NATO expansion should be blocked, but not because the new members support the PKK lol
Why is supporting the PKK or the YPG based? The maoist parties conducting people's wars in Turkey are worth far more your support.
YPG = / = PKK
Insurrection against Turkey, a NATO imperialist fascist terrorist state, is cool and good.
Insurrection on behalf of imperialist forces to divide up and weaken Syria and steal their oil is not based.
yeah turkey just wants Uncle Sam to make this worth their vote. Force some more free military aid out of the president lol
turkey once again being the wild card NATO member
reminder that missiles in turkey was the real instigation of the so called cuban missile crisis, missiles in cuba were simply Khruschev's response to missiles in turkey. Istanbul and Havana are similar distances to Moscow and DC, respectively.
Maybe the libs and neocons can start a war with Turkey to kick it out of NATO, and then they can admit Sweden and Finland in
I remember playing as the NATO guys in Battlefield Vietnam growing up cause I figured "hey theyre an alliance of countries they probably have the best weapons."
Oh how naive
Barrage of 'Erdogan is Putin's puppet' stories coming in 3......2......1......
What, you don't want to be part of a 21st century proxy war between the United States and Russia?
I assume this is a bluff to jockey for more power. He'll give in after negotiations.
I can't help but look at nato and think that what it's been doing to Europe is essentially what Christianity once did, with civilisations converting because the alternative is getting obliterated. You can't help but think the reason Sweden and especially Finland want membership is because they know they might become the next proxy war for the US without being a member and this seems eerily like the same reasoning that the various kings converted the countries to christianity back when they were vikings.
So is it a 'no' or an 'abstain'? Is there even an 'abstain' to this process? This tells us nothing.
The way it's phrased it sounds like everyone has to vote yes, but idk.
Revenge for dangling the prospect of EU membership to Turkey for decades despite knowing they were never going to let it in?
Bargaining to make Sweden crack down on Kurds. Erdogan already complained that they're not tough enough on the PKK.
