First, it started with people saying cis women getting breast implants was gender-affirming surgery and at least that kinda made sense on the very surface level. Now people are claiming all plastic surgeries are gender-affirming which made me check whether this was some orchestrated trolling effort. Doesn't seem like it.
Here's the tweet .
Fitting into the social role of billionaire is not “gender affirming”
Not really what I'm saying. Billionaires have the opportunity to get themselves medical intervention that affirms their social identity to themselves with little fanfare. Trans people do not generally have that.
How does that relate to gender, which is the topic of the OP. If you want to change the subject and talk about social role affirmations, sure but that’s not the discussion at hand
the fuck do you think a gender is?
Do you think literally all social roles are gender or gender related?
Gender is a subset of the larger category of social roles and expectations. You are equivocating gender and all social roles
If what you were saying was right, non-binaries like me wouldn’t have any social roles at all? Do I just sit alone in a cave? Or do I have expectations and responsibilities still not tied to my gender identity such as parent, sibling, lover, Patriot, janitor, etc?
what in the world? let me break this down simply.
Premise 1: It is ok to change yourself to affirm your social role. Premise 2: Gender roles are a subset of all social roles. Conclusion: It is ok to change yourself to affirm your gender role, whatever that might be.
Non-binary people living in a western society are still by and large expected to visibly conform to a gender role in public or potentially be ostracized, unfortunately. i think it's absurd to read my defense of trans personhood as an attack on nonbinary people... the only point i've been making is that society at large generally accepts the category of changing yourself to affirm yourself, in many instances it is lauded, except for trans people. that is all. i mean the things i say and no more.
You're doing God's Work with these longtexts
I agree with both your premises, but I don’t agree with the conclusion that all cosmetic surgeries are gender affirming, which is the disputed conclusion the tweet makes. Your premises don’t lead to this conclusion
Are all cosmetic surgeries socially affirming? Yes.
Are all cosmetic surgeries gender affirming? Dubious.
i mean, i said in my first post that I think the hair treatment being considered "gender affirming care" specifically is a bit silly, but then, I don't really expect random fucking internet influencers to thread the academic needle between specifically gender affirming care and more broadly socially affirming care. (care being employed pretty fucking dubiously when being applied to rich assholes getting plastic surgery for funsies.) I think a more charitable interpretation is to simply understand the point to be about socially affirming care more broadly, and that it doesn't matter because she could just as easily picked Elon taking literal hormone replacement therapy along with his hyper macho best bro Joe. There's just not a good visual way to show that the richest guy on the planet no longer thinks his balls are making him masculine enough or whatever.
I dunk on the posts I see, nothing more nothing less. Calling all cosmetic surgery gender affirming is dunkable.
To quote my original comment: not the same as all plastic surgeries being gender affirming, which is not what the tweet claims anyway. like i just don't know what else to try to tell you, I never claimed what you're trying to dunk on, I explicitly stated the opposite, and made a light case for why his specific hair treatment could possibly be considered gender affirming. damn.
You know what you are correct, I was mixing up the OP tweet with another comment on this thread that said “basically all cosmetic surgery can be viewed through the lens of gender affirming surgery”.
Even with the qualifier of “basically” it still feels like way too strong of a statement and one that erases a lot of people.
Sorry for being pedantic, just really felt like people in here were ignoring the existence of non-binary people and universal cosmetic surgeries and I countersignalled a little too hard
oh, I vibe. yeah, I definitely don't agree with that blanket statement, cosmetic surgery as a whole is a lot to unpack in a forum comment. glad we got on the same page, all the best :hexbear-non-binary:
Sorry I took you uncharitably, I was tilted
it's good. :solidarity:
also non-binary people absolutely get ignored all the goddamn time, so definitely don't hesitate to remind people on this site lol