Couldn't even be bothered to not have "both sides" below the fold, they're really expecting me to pay to read the rest of the article.

The "critical" part of critical support: the one-child policy was shitty and led to a bunch of bad knock-on effects, I'm happy they got rid of it after 2015; there is for sure a lot more work to be done on this front

The "support" part of critical support: Lmao, you can just get an abortion in china unlike the US, it was blanket legalized in 1988 (with aditional stipulations depending on the province). You can't equivocate a country where people are getting progressively more rights with another country where people are losing progressively more rights.

edit: as one of our wonderful posters points out, limited legal abortion was available since 1953

The original article is here I use a paywall removing browser addon that works particularly well on Firefox. Will paste full text shortly.

    • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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      It’s easier to criticize a man 50 miles away from you about his lawn than clean up your own

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        It's more like the guy 50 miles away has a mostly-fine lawn, with maybe a bit of poison ivy that needs to be trimmed, kind of an eyesore not laboratory-ideal, while you have a perfectly emerald manicured sheet-like green facade, which is only possible because you dumped loads of Grazon™ on it and now the land is completely uninhabitable for literally any other kind of plant except for grass, and not even all types of grass, and if you try to grow vegetables on it they will all die, and if you try to grow a tree on it it will die, and if you graze a cow on it and sell its manure to be composted, anything grown in that compost will also die, and anything within the vicinity of the water table will also die.

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    • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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      Libs do this everywhere. The libs in my country always point to Honduras and El Salvador and say "at least we aren' them" when people bring up the institutionalized bigotry.

    • save_vs_death [they/them]
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      no matter how bad it becomes in the US at least i'm not living in bad country china

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      I was genuinely shocked when I read that in the decision, like we are 5 years away from doing HUAC again.

      I know they mentioned Canada in the decision, though they didn't single them out, but Canada has one of the most liberal policies on abortion in the world. In most provinces it's no-questions-asked up to 20 or 23 weeks, and afterwards it's a medical decision with the doctor. And all abortion care is payed for by the single-payer system.

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    china owning your womb: you can have a child if you wish

    texas owning your womb: you must birth every single child, viable or not, or you will go to prison

    these things are the same :thonk:

  • ShareThatBread [he/him, comrade/them]
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    And as I was finally taking a moment to digest the impact of the news, I received a text message from my graduate school friend Zoe, another Chinese immigrant who currently lives in California: “When I was in elementary school, I wouldn’t believe that when I was in my 30s, the No. 1 country in the world would not allow abortion.”

    :agony-yehaw:

    • save_vs_death [they/them]
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      folks, all my chinese friends stop me and they tell me "america number one", more and more of them are saying it, and i happen to agree

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      People who immigrate to a different country than the one of their birth likely view it as better and other news at 11

      Also, being a complete cretin not typically an obstacle to immigrating

      • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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        This is why you should take what immigrants say with a grain of salt. People would ask me if I lived underground because immigrants from my country had told them the cartels ran the entire country. We don't even get the cartels as bad as Mexico does.

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        People who immigrate to a different country than the one of their birth likely view it as better and other news at 11

        "When I was in elementary school"

        I think it's more likely the power of US propaganda through every stage of life. No other anglosphere nation is anywhere near this level.

  • bananon [he/him]
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    Limited legal abortion was first introduced in China in 1953, four years after its founding. The US is 245 years old and still can’t get its shit together.

  • DonaldJBrandon [none/use name]
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    I recently read that they are restricting abortion again in China, as of February, due to population issues. Anyone know if this is actually true?

    Edit: it's false I was tricked by the propaganda machine :sicko-no:

    • LeninsBeard [he/him]
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      That's the media doing that thing where they spin good things China is doing as bad somehow.

      For example, in the Al Jazeera article there are only two actual policies mentioned:

      The State Council said the new guidelines would aim to improve women’s overall access to pre-pregnancy healthcare services.

      And

      After years of trying to limit population growth, Beijing is now promising new policies aimed at encouraging families to have more children.

      It said in June that it would now allow all couples to have three children instead of two. New policies designed to reduce the financial burden of raising children are also being introduced

      Both of which seem unambiguously good even if the motivating factor is to have more kids. All of the articles I've read on the subject have been in a similar vein as well.

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        After years of trying to limit population growth, Beijing is now promising new policies aimed at encouraging families to have more children.
        

        I just realized that the "everybody has tried to increase birth rates and failed" is probably just a side-effect of everybody being capitalist

      • DonaldJBrandon [none/use name]
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        This should do, there's a bunch of articles like this https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/27/china-restricts-abortions-for-non-medical-purposes

        • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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          https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-12-08/VHJhbnNjcmlwdDYxMDE5/index.html

          They want to reduce unwanted pregnancies and therefore the need for abortion. Some people in China were concerned that there would be restrictions on abortion access for pregnant women and girls so CGTN did this interview with the doctor in charge of the family planning dept in Shanxi Women's and Children's Hospital.

          Of course Western media will spin China announcing a campaign to financially support young families, and provide contraception and sex education to young people so that less people go through unwanted pregnancies as authoritarian while the US literally bans abortions.

          • DonaldJBrandon [none/use name]
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            My god, lol. I actually searched about this like 3 or 4 months ago and I swore there were articles outright saying that they were basically going to ban elective abortions, but now when I search they basically don't have any evidence and asset that there is a "fear" that they will. Idk whether I misread it or if they actually changed their articles, but this is great to know.

            Thank you CCP for supporting young people and leading them to live better more fulfilled lives through family support and education :rat-salute:

            • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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              It's easy to get the wrong idea when literally every "respectable" English language media outlet is trying to lie to you. Took me several minutes to find this, think it was 2-3 pages in.

              • DonaldJBrandon [none/use name]
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                Yeah it really is lol I think it was also on Wikipedia or something and it may have been edited out. Well for what it's worth I'm very glad they are continuing a Marxist approach instead of doing abortion bans

  • save_vs_death [they/them]
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    Full text of the article

    On June 24, as I sat in Texas and grieved the loss of my abortion rights, my friends in China were trying to find out if four women brutally assaulted by a group of men in Tangshan earlier this month were still alive or out of the hospital.

    As I was looking for the closest abortion center left to me, my friends in China were discussing in WeChat groups the most effective way to defend yourself when attacked and how to purchase pepper spray, as this keyword can no longer be searched for on the shopping site Taobao.

    When I marched from the federal courthouse square to the Texas state capitol with thousands of people chanting, “my body, my choice,” my friends in China were posting about the lack of transparency over the Tangshan incident, the chained women in China, and many other similar cases.

    And as I was finally taking a moment to digest the impact of the news, I received a text message from my graduate school friend Zoe, another Chinese immigrant who currently lives in California: “When I was in elementary school, I wouldn’t believe that when I was in my 30s, the No. 1 country in the world would not allow abortion.”

    On both sides of the Pacific, women’s bodies and rights are under assault—from the state and from men empowered by the misogyny of the state. I grew up in China when the one-child policy was mandatory. This policy was implemented in 1980, when the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party published a letter advocating for a couple to have only one child. On Oct. 29, 2015, the Fifth Plenary Session of the 18th Central Committee announced that a couple can have two children, officially ending this policy—for women in Han-majority areas, at least. Forced sterilizations and abortions continue in Xinjiang, targeting ethnic minorities who were previously given exemptions to the one-child policy.

    When I was little, I remember seeing the red “one-child certificate” that had to be presented when my parents registered me for elementary school. The slogan “Match late, hatch late, fewer births, better births,” was printed on newspapers, billboards, and walls. (The phrase I’ve translated as “better births” is also the term for “eugenics” in Chinese.) Almost all my childhood friends were the only child of their families, except a boy, who had a younger brother, and his family paid penalties—under the name of a “social support fee”—for having more than one kid.

    I never questioned the morals behind this policy, until one day I was sick in the hospital and overheard the doctor pulling my mother aside and telling her she might meet the requirements to have another child. According to the regulations, as part of “necessary eugenic guidance and services,” families whose first child had a physical disability could apply to have another child after medical examinations. I still grew into a healthy adult, and my mother never had a second child, but the doctor’s words stuck with me for years. It felt wrong that women couldn’t control their bodies and couldn’t decide how many children they wanted, having to rely on laws and regulations and doctors’ examinations and government approval.

    The policy led to many forced abortions and forced sterilizations. Some Chinese families abandoned female babies in the hope that they could give birth to male babies in the future—such as a friend’s sister, who was adopted into an American family. Others intentionally aborted female babies—revealing the sex of a fetus was illegal under Chinese law, but it was easy to bribe a doctor to do so. As a result, in China today, there are 30 million more men than women.

    While reproductive rights—save for those of Uyghurs and other targeted minorities—have improved under recent policy, the picture for women in China is bleak as a whole. I was lucky enough to born into in an era when Mao Zedong’s dictum that “women hold up half the sky” was frequently mentioned. My mother and both of my grandmothers had the chance to receive higher education, and they all worked until retirement. But patriarchy has come roaring back. In 1990, Chinese urban women’s wages were 78 percent of men’s. By 2010, this rate had dropped to 67 percent. By 2021, this rate had risen again to 77.1 percent, still short of where it stood three decades ago. But that recovery is coming partially because women are dropping out of the labor force: Their labor force participation rate dropped from more than 70 percent in the 1990s to 59.8 percent in 2020.

    Hiring discrimination plays a big part of this, with job ads showing a clear preference for men. While this is nominally illegal, the law is not enforced—even for government jobs. In 2021’s civil service entrance examination, excluding jobs at the tax bureau, among the remaining 5,776 open positions, 35 percent of them stated a preference for men, while only 5 percent stated a preference for women. By the end of May this year, 22 percent of male graduates and only 10 percent of female graduates had signed an employment contract.

    And while most women now have the right to choose how many children they wish to have, there’s no guarantee that will last. It’s a matter of temporary regulation, not rights—and demographic fears may well push the government to an openly natalist position. If that happens, there will be little ability for women to resist in any organized fashion: The government deeply fears feminism and regularly targets it in crackdowns. In 2015, five Chinese feminists were detained on suspicion of “picking quarrels and creating a disturbance,” one day before International Women’s Day. Innumerable feminists’ accounts have been banned on Chinese social media platforms such as Weibo, WeChat, and Douban.

    Investigating individual abuses is equally dangerous. This January, a video showing a woman being chained to a wall by her neck went viral on China’s internet. After discovering that the woman is a mother of eight in a rural village in Jiangsu, netizens started to suspect she was a victim of human trafficking. Due to strict censorship, Chinese media were not able to provide any in-depth investigation into this incident, and Guo Min, a former reporter who independently investigated it, was summoned by the police and was ordered to not comment on this issue or receive any interviews. Another volunteer, who uses the online pseudonym Wuyi, attempted to help the woman and detained twice. Wuyi has still not been released, while people who spoke in support of her had their Weibo accounts banned.

    After the assault in Tangshan, multiple reporters were stopped when trying to get into the city, and some of them were detained by police. Online, the government attempted to switch the conversation to a crackdown on crime, closing feminist accounts blamed for “inciting gender divisions.”

    In 2019, when I received an offer from a start-up company in China and was debating whether to move back to my home country, the assault on gender equality in China was one of the biggest reasons that I stayed in the United States. During my interview process with the Chinese firm, human resources asked about my marital status and whether I planned to have children right after I joined the team—both normal practices in China.

    I still don’t regret my decision. But the overturning of Roe v. Wade is definitely a wake-up call, reminding me that the United States, a county that I and many other Chinese thought of as “the lighthouse of democracy,” is not as perfect as I thought it was. I came to this country for its liberty and freedom, and I now feel sadness, disappointment, and despair.

    When the attorney general of Texas tweeted that “abortion is now illegal in Texas,” the discomfort I felt when I overheard the doctor telling my mom she might qualify to have a second child, and the sense of invasion I felt when HR wanted me to promise that I wouldn’t be pregnant within the first three years of my employment, flooded back to me. It just felt wrong.

    But unlike in China, where my friends are at best limited to posting angrily online, I at least had the chance to fight back. I went out onto the streets to protest, joining thousands of other women in 100-degree heat a few hours after the decision. We chanted, “My body, my choice” together, with men echoing, “Her body, her choice.” I saw old women reassuring young ones that they were still in the fight. I sunk into this moment of solidarity and realized that I had to keep fighting.

    And I remembered the words of one of my friends, a Ph.D. student in China. She said that she, too, wanted to leave for the West one day—but that part of her felt if she left China, she was throwing away her chance to help make China a better place.

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      “US is better than China because I could go out and chanted”.

      Smell like bull crap because you could protest in China, not limited yelling angrily online, and the govt actually do something, unlike amerikkka. If authors want to smear, please get more factual smear, not lying about it

        • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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          You could put immigration, gun control and healthcare plus many more. Basically all societal issues, what they’re fast at is pass military budget and lowering tax for their boss though

        • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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          It's funny when Shanghai lockdown happen, I saw many "China expert" post about Chinese peoples go to the street "protest" against authoritarian govt. I was like, wait a sec, can they protest or not, I remember you expert said that in China, they can't protest.

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