What did Kim Kong Un do that makes you so quick to denigrate him? (this is rhetorical, I'm not actually asking lol, sorta). Just propaganda you heard in US media?
Also I don't know that Stalin was an antisemite.
Also you keep saying "we" like online western social media discourse is anything to base in-groups or understanding of the world on.
I have honestly no Idea who I mean with we. Hexbear? The other commies I hang out with maybe? Whatever I just want people to have higher standarts for who they consider an ally
I read that he was an antisemite in a discussion on quora... but it's a discussion on quora so not sure of it's actually true, the homophobe part is legit though
Is this a bit? Because if not, come on, comerade...
Repeat after me: Quora is not a reliable source for information. I will not get my information on geopolitics from Quora.
If you're taking fucking quora users at face value (that is, western chauvanist know-it-alls), I think you should take a long hard look at your media comprehension skills. Read a book about Stalin written by a communist like the one linked by RedWizard
I know that it's what I wanted to say with the previous message you are replying to. I'm sorry, I honestly don't know why I thought it was a good idea to make this post.
I guess what I'd say about this is. The US kills 40,000 US residents per year just from delayed or denied medical care, and certainly a percentage of those people are trans, marginalized, etc. So Biden and Bill/Hillary Clinton can pay lip service to caring about LGBTQIA people, but having the appearance of caring without lifting a finger to save them? That's peak liberalism.
Communists don't do that. That's why Cuba has free medical transitions for their trans people.
If somebody attacks Stalin for being homophobic, that's usually a bad faith attack. Every US president was homophobic and legislated viciously against LGBTQIA people. The soviet union was better than that.
A couple of things here: (1) Quora is not a great source, which you seem to understand (2) I'm going to refrain from making statements about topics I'm ill-informed on, and likely full of brain worms about (3) I will start the deworming process with this book: Stalin: History and Critique of A Black Legend by Domenico Losurdo. (4) I will engage in the time-honored leftist tradition of throwing 600-page books at people.
Thanks for the book recc. I'll check it out. The actual message I wanted to say was simply that economically left but culturally right people are shitstains, nothing more.
I hear you. Stalin is definitely one of those mythical figures in history, where the myth is larger than the history. The goal is to separate the myth from the history. As the CIA puts it in their document "Comments On The Change In Soviet Leadership"
Even in Stalin's time there was collective leaderhsip. The western idea of a dictator within the Communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the Communist power structure. Stalin, although holding wide powers, was merely the captin of a team [...]
My hope in reading that book is to clear up my own "misunderstandings on that subject".
I think the "Stalin hated the jews" is a confused mix of outright anti-communist propaganda and a misunderstanding or deliberate misrepresentation of later soviet policy.
Usually "the doctors plot" gets brought up, which was an alleged conspiracy involving nine doctors, six of whom were jewish. After a moderate amount of kerfuffle nothing came of it, no one was prosecuted, and nothing happened.
There are allegations that Stalin was going to put Jewish Soviets in camps. There is absolutely nothing to these arguments. No documents, nothing. Just "well my unlce talked to some guy" bs.
Anti-semitism was a very serious crime during most of the ussr's history.
During the cold war Israel"s "aliyah" bullshit was used by a bunch of ethnic Jewish Soviets as an excuse to defect. There was a lot of back and forth between the Soviet state and Soviet Jews about emigrating, and the US and Israel were happy to use it as a bludgeon. Afaik it had little to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with emigration to Israel creating a brain-drain among a subset of Soviet citizens, with fully half of the people who emigrated to Israel actually switching flights half-way and defecting to the US, taking their education and technical knowledge with them. Israel actually imposed a bunch of "prove you're Jewish" rules when it turned out a lot of people who got visas to move to Israel had no intention of doing so and hadn't had any real connection to Jewish religion or culture for decades, they just had "Jewish" as their national classification on their id paperwork because their parents or grandparents were Jewish.
What did Kim Kong Un do that makes you so quick to denigrate him? (this is rhetorical, I'm not actually asking lol, sorta). Just propaganda you heard in US media?
Also I don't know that Stalin was an antisemite.
Also you keep saying "we" like online western social media discourse is anything to base in-groups or understanding of the world on.
I have honestly no Idea who I mean with we. Hexbear? The other commies I hang out with maybe? Whatever I just want people to have higher standarts for who they consider an ally
I read that he was an antisemite in a discussion on quora... but it's a discussion on quora so not sure of it's actually true, the homophobe part is legit though
"I read it on quora"
Is this a bit? Because if not, come on, comerade...
Repeat after me: Quora is not a reliable source for information. I will not get my information on geopolitics from Quora.
If you're taking fucking quora users at face value (that is, western chauvanist know-it-alls), I think you should take a long hard look at your media comprehension skills. Read a book about Stalin written by a communist like the one linked by RedWizard
I know that it's what I wanted to say with the previous message you are replying to. I'm sorry, I honestly don't know why I thought it was a good idea to make this post.
It's a learning experience for you, and that's worth something!
It is. Thanks for not being too harsh with me.
I guess what I'd say about this is. The US kills 40,000 US residents per year just from delayed or denied medical care, and certainly a percentage of those people are trans, marginalized, etc. So Biden and Bill/Hillary Clinton can pay lip service to caring about LGBTQIA people, but having the appearance of caring without lifting a finger to save them? That's peak liberalism.
Communists don't do that. That's why Cuba has free medical transitions for their trans people.
If somebody attacks Stalin for being homophobic, that's usually a bad faith attack. Every US president was homophobic and legislated viciously against LGBTQIA people. The soviet union was better than that.
A couple of things here: (1) Quora is not a great source, which you seem to understand (2) I'm going to refrain from making statements about topics I'm ill-informed on, and likely full of brain worms about (3) I will start the deworming process with this book: Stalin: History and Critique of A Black Legend by Domenico Losurdo. (4) I will engage in the time-honored leftist tradition of throwing 600-page books at people.
Thanks for the book recc. I'll check it out. The actual message I wanted to say was simply that economically left but culturally right people are shitstains, nothing more.
I hear you. Stalin is definitely one of those mythical figures in history, where the myth is larger than the history. The goal is to separate the myth from the history. As the CIA puts it in their document "Comments On The Change In Soviet Leadership"
My hope in reading that book is to clear up my own "misunderstandings on that subject".
I think the "Stalin hated the jews" is a confused mix of outright anti-communist propaganda and a misunderstanding or deliberate misrepresentation of later soviet policy.
Usually "the doctors plot" gets brought up, which was an alleged conspiracy involving nine doctors, six of whom were jewish. After a moderate amount of kerfuffle nothing came of it, no one was prosecuted, and nothing happened.
There are allegations that Stalin was going to put Jewish Soviets in camps. There is absolutely nothing to these arguments. No documents, nothing. Just "well my unlce talked to some guy" bs.
Anti-semitism was a very serious crime during most of the ussr's history.
During the cold war Israel"s "aliyah" bullshit was used by a bunch of ethnic Jewish Soviets as an excuse to defect. There was a lot of back and forth between the Soviet state and Soviet Jews about emigrating, and the US and Israel were happy to use it as a bludgeon. Afaik it had little to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with emigration to Israel creating a brain-drain among a subset of Soviet citizens, with fully half of the people who emigrated to Israel actually switching flights half-way and defecting to the US, taking their education and technical knowledge with them. Israel actually imposed a bunch of "prove you're Jewish" rules when it turned out a lot of people who got visas to move to Israel had no intention of doing so and hadn't had any real connection to Jewish religion or culture for decades, they just had "Jewish" as their national classification on their id paperwork because their parents or grandparents were Jewish.
I've also heard anti-communists try to link Stalin's rootless cosmopolitan speech to anti-semitism.