I mostly agree with you. Way too many people here are absurdly ironically detached and that makes them extremely toxic. But I think that's a huge problem with the western left in general, not just Hexbear.
Ironic detachment is both an interesting Rhetorical tool, and an ineffective community building tool. I understand that people like to be detached and use irony to parse the insanity that is the Internet, but it’s a bad way to interact with people who are also on your side supposedly. Jokes are fun and Jibbs and jabs Bring some vitality to the site, but often it seems to be used to dunk on each other rather than our opposition. Internet brain poisoning is truly the worst part of the left. I think we should our save the vitriol for the libs.
Because of how detached and isolated everyone is - especially on the internet - people attempt to "irony" themselves into sincerity. They try to use irony as an attempt to seem more self aware, to become more genuine through (bullshit) "introspection," but instead they just spiral down even further. Separating themselves further and further from geniuity.
They try to use irony as an attempt to seem more self aware, to become more genuine through (bullshit) “introspection,” but instead they just spiral down even further.
A lot of what I post is not ironic, but that doesn't seem to help me any.
We all do it, really. But I think we see this the most with far right people on the internet, as they're usually the most detached and use irony to cover the internal contradictions of their ideology.
Well, I think try & confront them directly to resolve them, but I feel like that then just ends up making me look insane to everyone around me I think. Which is sort of what I mean when I say that it doesn't help me much.
Oh ok. You're good, I just wanted to clarify. Self-criticism is still important and always will be, but I think the ironic "self-awareness" we see on the internet is different from that. People try to act self-aware, so they pick on things about themselves that are low hanging fruit. They never try to analyze the conditions that shaped them.
These are the types of people who claim they can't be racist because they aren't consciously aware of any racism. Because they've tricked themselves into thinking they are self-aware, they end up separating themselves further and further from actual genuineness.
Really? That hasn’t been my experience at all. This is one of the only places online I’ve really felt solidarity. The site can boil up sometimes, but most of the time it’s pretty comfy
I mostly agree with you. Way too many people here are absurdly ironically detached and that makes them extremely toxic. But I think that's a huge problem with the western left in general, not just Hexbear.
Ironic detachment is both an interesting Rhetorical tool, and an ineffective community building tool. I understand that people like to be detached and use irony to parse the insanity that is the Internet, but it’s a bad way to interact with people who are also on your side supposedly. Jokes are fun and Jibbs and jabs Bring some vitality to the site, but often it seems to be used to dunk on each other rather than our opposition. Internet brain poisoning is truly the worst part of the left. I think we should our save the vitriol for the libs.
reject irony
embrace sincerity
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i wasn't being ironic
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https://youtu.be/-ZN_EaqtNk4 - The Cure Closedown
relevant song
Because of how detached and isolated everyone is - especially on the internet - people attempt to "irony" themselves into sincerity. They try to use irony as an attempt to seem more self aware, to become more genuine through (bullshit) "introspection," but instead they just spiral down even further. Separating themselves further and further from geniuity.
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Are you disagreeing with me? Because that's what I'm saying.
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Oh my bad lol
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Nah you're good. Every time I give my opinion on the internet I expect to be met with backlash so I'm primed to misinterpret things
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A lot of what I post is not ironic, but that doesn't seem to help me any.
We all do it, really. But I think we see this the most with far right people on the internet, as they're usually the most detached and use irony to cover the internal contradictions of their ideology.
Well, I think try & confront them directly to resolve them, but I feel like that then just ends up making me look insane to everyone around me I think. Which is sort of what I mean when I say that it doesn't help me much.
I'm sorry, but try and confront what directly? People? Yourself?
Uh, yes; but more specifically the contradictions within my own thinking, & sense of the world. Or something.
I'm not trying to make a joke here, btw. Sometimes I just have muddled thoughts.
Oh ok. You're good, I just wanted to clarify. Self-criticism is still important and always will be, but I think the ironic "self-awareness" we see on the internet is different from that. People try to act self-aware, so they pick on things about themselves that are low hanging fruit. They never try to analyze the conditions that shaped them.
These are the types of people who claim they can't be racist because they aren't consciously aware of any racism. Because they've tricked themselves into thinking they are self-aware, they end up separating themselves further and further from actual genuineness.
IDK if that makes much sense lol
Hexbear has it amped up to 11 though
the only place worse for it is like leftypol
Really? That hasn’t been my experience at all. This is one of the only places online I’ve really felt solidarity. The site can boil up sometimes, but most of the time it’s pretty comfy
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yeah, it is nice most of the time, but it does have a problem with ableism
one of the mods of this very comm resigned over it
I guess? It’s not something I’ve experienced, but I’m sorry that’s something you’ve encountered.
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