fwiw i think its often a self-defensive lashing out from people who at their subconscious core know that what theyre doing is wrong and have a whole bunch of internalised guilt about it that they dont want to come to terms with, and dont want to deal with the idea that theyve been wrong about something so massive all their lives - and know that they would have to make substantial and scary-looking changes to their lives if they did acknowledge it. so they push back and lash out instead (as seen rather loudly on here a week or so ago)
but i do think a lot of those people (including the specific person im thinking of) are actually pretty close and just need the right push in the right direction, whereas actual chuds are obviously a complete lost cause on this one
i mean any :funny-clown-hammer: types who defend child porn under "no ethical consumption" can absolutely go die in a ditch, but i do get people being defensive about their treats cos people dont want to feel guilty about material things that give them a bit of joy in what can be pretty fucking miserable lives under late capitalism. i think a lot of those people also dont really understand understand just how much meat is quantitatively and qualitatively more awful than other treats (i know when i was an omni i just filed it in my background guilt along with any of my other unnecessary consumption and not doing enough praxis etc, and i really didnt get why it was so different, although i know in retrospect that my subconscious did). it took me watching dominion to really get it on more than an intellectual level, and i put off watching it and made excuses cos i think i knew deep down that once i did watch it id have to actually confront that guilt and change my ways and that would be hard and id look like an idiot who was wrong and anyway i do other praxis and there are other issues in the world that are affecting people etc etc. i didnt publicly lash out but i definitely lashed out internally so i could put my guilty conscience to rest
and then eventually i got there and i saw how much of a blind idiot id been and i changed shit and it was awesome. and i reckon most "ethical consumption" leftist omnis can get there as well, even if it takes them longer than we would like and theres defensive blow-ups along the way. and personally, i think my messages to them (including someone who may still be lurking) would be:
"watch dominion so you know why its different" (cw: extremely graphic violence)
"most vegans have been where you are, then we worked out we were wrong and we changed shit and theres no shame in admitting it, swallow your pride and get over yourself"
and "youre scared that its hard, but actually its way easier than you think to go vegan, the first month is tricky and then its really not hard at all and vegan food is tasty as hell"
im an optimist about the no ethical consumption types
fwiw i think its often a self-defensive lashing out from people who at their subconscious core know that what theyre doing is wrong and have a whole bunch of internalised guilt about it that they dont want to come to terms with, and dont want to deal with the idea that theyve been wrong about something so massive all their lives - and know that they would have to make substantial and scary-looking changes to their lives if they did acknowledge it. so they push back and lash out instead (as seen rather loudly on here a week or so ago)
but i do think a lot of those people (including the specific person im thinking of) are actually pretty close and just need the right push in the right direction, whereas actual chuds are obviously a complete lost cause on this one
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i mean any :funny-clown-hammer: types who defend child porn under "no ethical consumption" can absolutely go die in a ditch, but i do get people being defensive about their treats cos people dont want to feel guilty about material things that give them a bit of joy in what can be pretty fucking miserable lives under late capitalism. i think a lot of those people also dont really understand understand just how much meat is quantitatively and qualitatively more awful than other treats (i know when i was an omni i just filed it in my background guilt along with any of my other unnecessary consumption and not doing enough praxis etc, and i really didnt get why it was so different, although i know in retrospect that my subconscious did). it took me watching dominion to really get it on more than an intellectual level, and i put off watching it and made excuses cos i think i knew deep down that once i did watch it id have to actually confront that guilt and change my ways and that would be hard and id look like an idiot who was wrong and anyway i do other praxis and there are other issues in the world that are affecting people etc etc. i didnt publicly lash out but i definitely lashed out internally so i could put my guilty conscience to rest
and then eventually i got there and i saw how much of a blind idiot id been and i changed shit and it was awesome. and i reckon most "ethical consumption" leftist omnis can get there as well, even if it takes them longer than we would like and theres defensive blow-ups along the way. and personally, i think my messages to them (including someone who may still be lurking) would be:
"watch dominion so you know why its different" (cw: extremely graphic violence)
"most vegans have been where you are, then we worked out we were wrong and we changed shit and theres no shame in admitting it, swallow your pride and get over yourself"
and "youre scared that its hard, but actually its way easier than you think to go vegan, the first month is tricky and then its really not hard at all and vegan food is tasty as hell"
im an optimist about the no ethical consumption types