So if you’re not talking about an idealized system, you’re just talking about putting abstractions around a system and trying to maximize efficiency? Is there a particular reason that localizing life into a single building is any more efficient than allowing people to travel between them? The human body has arteries and veins. We could have bullet trains. Basically, what separates what you’re advocating for from some variant of solarpunk urbanism?
travel is probably an incredibly important thing to keep the various city-states from not only becoming political echo chambers, but also dying of new diseases they grew up isolated from.
You talk elsewhere about how you don’t want to give up modern medical advancements. An MRI machine, even a really outdated one, has an inherently global supply chain. There is no single area that has all the required materials. You give up energy-efficient freight transport, you give up modern medicine. Our technology is hundreds if not thousands of years away from mitigating that tradeoff.
I don’t think anyone’s arguing that we shouldn’t be doing ecologically-minded architecture or that we shouldn’t strive for energy efficiency. I think the question is whether an arcology is indeed he most efficient and ecologically-minded design. If I end up living under a socialist state who attempts to build them and has engineers and ecologists claiming they’re theoretically sound, I’d be happy to live in one. Maybe this is just more technical a conversation than I’m prepared for and I’m not understanding why. But for right now, I appreciate you sharing this interest and arguing your case.
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So if you’re not talking about an idealized system, you’re just talking about putting abstractions around a system and trying to maximize efficiency? Is there a particular reason that localizing life into a single building is any more efficient than allowing people to travel between them? The human body has arteries and veins. We could have bullet trains. Basically, what separates what you’re advocating for from some variant of solarpunk urbanism?
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travel is probably an incredibly important thing to keep the various city-states from not only becoming political echo chambers, but also dying of new diseases they grew up isolated from.
You talk elsewhere about how you don’t want to give up modern medical advancements. An MRI machine, even a really outdated one, has an inherently global supply chain. There is no single area that has all the required materials. You give up energy-efficient freight transport, you give up modern medicine. Our technology is hundreds if not thousands of years away from mitigating that tradeoff.
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I don’t think anyone’s arguing that we shouldn’t be doing ecologically-minded architecture or that we shouldn’t strive for energy efficiency. I think the question is whether an arcology is indeed he most efficient and ecologically-minded design. If I end up living under a socialist state who attempts to build them and has engineers and ecologists claiming they’re theoretically sound, I’d be happy to live in one. Maybe this is just more technical a conversation than I’m prepared for and I’m not understanding why. But for right now, I appreciate you sharing this interest and arguing your case.