But people said the same thing about photography and painting 150 years ago!
This is entirely different from that. Landscaping had aesthetic value after photography because people were able to embellish and stylize landscapes in ways they didn't actually exist in real life. There is no way to "escape" from AI into more stylization. All it takes is enough of those new stylized images and it'll be able to replicate it. This is different from photography because photography can't learn.
But people want human expression!
Yes, they do, but they'll probably only realize this after a couple decades of art [almost] completely uninspired by the human condition and depression and anxiety skyrockets. In the short term, people will only care that they can type into a field and get what they want without any significant investment. Good luck finding an art job that isn't just making prompts in that economy (And if you say that making prompts is the same as being a painter or illustrator, yes it is art but no it isn't the same and fuck you).
I rest my case, art automation is cool but under capitalism it'll only be used to devalue artists further, and drive them deeper into poverty. It would be a great tool in a society capable of regulating itself but WE DON'T LIVE IN THAT SOCIETY AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO POINT THAT OUT.
STOP LISTENING TO :melon-musk: :debatebro-l: AND SUPPORT YOUR ARTIST COMRADES NOW
Now that I got your attention with my inflammatory statements, please commission your artist comrades and support them in their struggle to exist in what is already a very punishing world to live in. I promise to give any of you that do big hugs, I love you all, and bye.
Yaknow, if artists had been more sympathetic to the problems of the working class, I might feel more. But no. Artists treat the working class with a great deal of flippancy and contempt. Pardon me while I get out the world's smallest violin.
You know the painting called "American Gothic"? The farmer with the pitchfork standing next to the woman? First of all, that's not his wife, it is his spinster daughter. Moreover in the background there is a gothic window? It's mocking them. That's right, if there's one group of people deserving of mockery it's midwestern Americans who live in rural areas. How dare they live in houses built 50 years ago implementing styles that were popular at the time! “Who would live in this outdated house?” asked the artist. Then the East Coast art critics dogpiled on, disparagingly declaring that this represents rural backwardness. And this was in the 1930s and it's only gotten worse since then. Of course the midwesterners even back in the 1930s had tractors and modern farm equipment, but no serious artist thinks they have anything worthwhile to listen to.
"Poetry is nobody's business except the poet's," wrote Philip Larkin, "and everybody else can fuck off."
Yeah, let's use a painting from the 1930s as an example why graphic designers pushing pixels for minimum wage (actually below minimum wage if you account for unpaid overtime) do not deserve class solidarity from "real workers". Very cool and materialist analysis, totally not divisive shit stirring and totally not a pure appeal to emotion.
Please point us to this magical place of sympathy and understanding among artists for the working class, because to the rest of us it's as mythical as Stoval'Kor.
American Gothic popped to mind because I just found out the other day it was mocking the little people for living in outdated houses, but this sort of attitude is all over the place. Visit any art gallery. Ask artists what they think of people who work for a living.
"go to a place that caters to and promotes mostly the wealthy and the children of the wealthy and ask them about their opinion of less wealthy people" is not the own you may initially think it is
OK, so now we've admitted that part of the artistic community has a problem with punching down. Making progress.
Where may we find this mythical hive of sympathy and understanding for the problems of the working class? It must be a secret society. One that does such a good job of staying hidden that evidence for its existence is undetectable.
Are you a materialist or a liberal? It doesn't matter what the wealthy "arty" stereotypes are like or say about you and me. They don't represent all artists, and even if they did they arrived at their position and beliefs due to this thing called material conditions.
So, there is no such sympathetic group in the artistic community.
The only artist I know personally works in auto body because he's not a wealthy elite. Fuck him because there are not sympathetic artists.
Anyway :LIB:
Please point us to this magical place where this post and poster belong
Oh hey, look who it is! :gulag:
I dont believe you have any experience at all dealing with artists beyond some very lazy and surface-level cultural stereotypes. You also seem to think that all artists are gallery artists? Thats a vanishingly small sector of creative work and one of the only thats totally insulated from the effects of AI competition.
:downbear: This is even more unhinged than going off about animators not deserving better working conditions.
A lot of people get uncomfortable when it's pointed out that they've been punching down.
If you want sympathy out of this world, first you have to put it in.
What's the magical sympathy quota that must be given to the world before one deserves it back? The leftist position is that we feel for our fellow humans because we can see a better life for all. The vegan position pushes that all life deserves to be treated with respect and that the inhumane conditions we subject other creatures to is unconscionable. People can have worse experiences under capitalism than others, it does not invalidate the fact that a nurse working 12 hour days with a patient load 2 times the pre-covid levels has a hard job. The child slave working on a cocoa plantation has it worse but the leftist position states that both deserve a better life. An artist has to go through a different set of stressors and challenges than the nurse, artists are underpaid and overworked like pretty much every worker under capitalism. Just because some artists can be dicks and class traitors does not condemn an entire facet of the human condition. Art has existed for millennia and to say that you don't care because some American artist made a painting that made fun of rural farmers is to miss the entire goddamn point of being a leftist.
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Impressively bad post
Death to America
:juche-WPK: Boy, I wonder what this paintbrush is for? :GDR-emblem: Or this funny little thing in front of this hammer? Get outta here, artists are workers too!
literally not.. they own their own means of Production...
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They are workers because they sell their own labor power, sure they own their own means, but they (in most cases, afaik) do not exploit others nor seek rent, they survive solely on their own work. Or take an artist working for a company with company equipment, suddenly they do not own their own means anymore, just their labor power which they are then selling. Magically, the artist now fits in with the usual description of a worker.
In the second part of your writing you described a Contract worker..
An Artists for me is a One Man Company , it Sells his Talent and therefore is the Monopolist of his Talent. If he has a Boss of course he is a Worker but a classic "Artist " is pretty solid in the petit Bourgouise Class..
But one of the Bourgeoisie class exploits others, the classic artist doesn't. :jesse-wtf:
yeah .. so
he owns his means of Production.
he Sets the Price for his own Labour
he is in no Autority Structure
he is a Specialist whos labour is not easy to replace (until now)
he has no Contract or Wage
he is Petit Bourgoise
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they are Contract Workers .. DUDE .. What is that ? Are you even Trying .. ?
Artist are Petit Bourgoise
Like it or like it not..
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he does not ...
maybe the Brush Factory Workers ?
but no he does not exploit . Thats your Singular Definition ?
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i was not talking about brushes but of Talent..
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Yeah , .. but not everybody has a Market for his Talent..
An Artist that does not is therefore not an Artist. If Your Talent produces a Product that has Value in the Market.. How are you not the Master of your own Work ? your not a Worker your Petit Bourgouise ... Literally a Company ..
( One of the Best Companies , not gonna lie ) but your Not an Worker..
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(..) Dabei erfährt die Zugehörigkeit zur Bourgeoisie keine Beschränkung durch das Ausüben bestimmter Berufe oder die Verfügung über ein irgendwie geartetes Eigentum. Der Eintritt in die Bourgeoisie kann auch mittels eines Sprungbrettes oder aufgrund besonderer Strebsamkeit oder Talentiertheit erfolgen. Auch garantiert die Zugehörigkeit zur Klasse nicht den Verbleib in dieser. An dieser Stelle werden laut Wallerstein dann doch bestimmte Charaktereigenschaften für den Bourgeois maßgeblich, nämlich Cleverness, Härte und Fleiß. Denn das wichtigste Kriterium für den Klassenerhalt ist der Erfolg auf dem Markt.
What in the fuck do you think "from each according to his ability to each according to his means" means? What do you think "ability" means in that context? This is one of the worst understandings of Marx, art and the idea of labour I've ever seen. Like mind-bogglingly wrong in every possible way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petite_bourgeoisie
Not a good bit 2 out of 10 would not read again
How is this shit getting upbears :PIGPOOPBALLS:
red scare-tier blue collar worker fetishism backed by zero theory
Because the artistic community has a long history of treating the little guy with contempt. Still waiting for anyone to show me where in the artistic community a place of sympathy and kindness for the working class exists. Who is more noble, the artist, or the plumber? The question answers itself, doesn't it?
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this has powerful caleb maupin vibes
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Tell us your opinion on baristas right now :brace-cowboy:
artists are working class because they have to sell their labour power in order to access the essentials of life
they do not deserve better conditions because of any inherent sympathy, destitution, prostration, humility and so on, but because perpetuating this mode of production fucks us all of us over
refusing to stand with any group of the working class when it matters is individualized brain worms, i don't want you to like them, i want you to have solidarity, this tit for tat bullshit won't get you anywhere
Yeah it has everything to do with art and individual artists and nothing to do with the market for art and who buys it.
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