If he had stuck strictly to cops, we'd be all good, but one of the first people he murdered wasn't one.

Going after the families of bad people when they really didn't play any role in the bad person's actions is abhorrent and indefensible. Kids shouldn't have to pay for the sins of the father and all that.

It doesn't completely invalidate the good he did do/say, but it's definitely a black mark on his record and why I can't really get fully behind him, even for meme reasons.

I've brought him up before, but I think Micah Xavier Johnson is overall a better example. Apparently he was a sexual harasser when he was in the military, which is obviously terrible, but at least you can say when he went on his spree that he didn't go for any non-cops.

  • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
    3·
    4 years ago

    Since there really isn't any actual solid evidence that she was either a Blue Lives Matter freak who literally worshiped cops or had some sort of negative personal interaction with Dorner, I'm running under the assumption of innocent until proven guilty.

    • joshieecs [he/him,any]
      1·
      4 years ago

      I think getting engaged to a school cop and trying to have her father pull strings to get him a job a full-time job on the police force is evidence of some kind of pathology.

      • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
        4·
        4 years ago

        All that is is hypotheticals tho, and making assumptions about her motivations when odds are we'll never truly know since she's, ya know, dead.

        I'm going off of the facts that we do know, and they don't lead me to believe that she was asking to be murdered.

        • joshieecs [he/him,any]
          1·
          4 years ago

          No, that part was reported in the newspapers. Not an inference.

          https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/usc-slain-officer-christopher-dorner.html

          Lawrence joined the university's campus safety department in August after Quan's father called Thomas, an old LAPD acquaintance, to recommend him.

          "I've known Randy Quan for about 25 years. We were both on LAPD. Called me about a year ago and says 'J.T., I've got this great possible candidate who you ought to take a look at if you get a chance. His name is Keith Lawrence and he's dating my daughter. I think he's an outstanding young man,'" Thomas said.

          • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
            5·
            4 years ago

            I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about you theorizing about her hypothetical "pathology".

            For all we know, she could've just been any other lib who believed the typical "cops are good guys who serve the community" propaganda. Ya know, the propaganda that the vast majority of people in this country believe. That I, and probably you, believed at one point. I believe those people deserve to be called out/criticized/etc., but I don't think they all deserve death.

            • joshieecs [he/him,any]
              1·
              4 years ago

              I mean, anything is possible. I guess maybe if this was only of the 8% of police that are libs and not MAGA dudes. And she just happened to meet a nice cop young man. But I mean, realistically what do you think are odds of a cop's daughter marrying a cop... gonna start a 2nd generation cop family... and not being on some thin blue line bullshit?

              And I agree she didn't deserve death. But I don't feel terrible about it, either. Maybe I should? I really don't know where the moral line is, if you have someone who maybe collaborating, or maybe they're neutral? Which side do they take if there is violence? In this case, we are not waging a revolution and Dorner was not a revolutionary, but I think the moral question is worth teasing out, because I don't think a path to and through revolution, if we ever get there, is going to be full of moral bright lines. But I am certainly no kind of expert who has read every theory book, I am asking as much as I'm thinking out loud.