What happened, did they discover oil in Hungary? Are they doing a socialism?

    • Old_Barbarossa [he/him,comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, that's why the EU is adressing the destruction of Hungary's (bourgeois) "democracy" now. They turned a blind eye to Orban's openly fascist course for Hungary for more than a decade because he let them loot the country for megaprofits. Now that he's refusing to participate in sanctions against Russia they're threatening to do what they should have done 12 years ago to leverage him.

      Either way they're not going to kick Hungary out of the EU because they're still profiting massively from looting Hungary and the cheap labour Hungarians provide to Western European countries.

      • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Which is funny because according to an article of RFE's hungarian edition Orbán last week in a meeting of the government and national bourgeoisie/conservative influencers said that in 2030 it's time to revise Hungary's EU membership.

        But yeah, very rich of them to demand Hungary gut labor rights (literally was a condition of a BMW factory to be built here) and then whine when he doesn't want hungarians to freeze.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    2 years ago

    "Hybrid regime of electoral autocracy" is a great phrase, not convoluted in the slightest.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    While the UK isn't in the EU anymore, they literally have unelected legislators who got there by an inherited title (the House of Lords), and no one ever seemed to complain about them...

  • 7bicycles [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    So does that make the EU Parliament no longer a democracy since it has "hybrid regime elected autocrats" as representatives from hungary? Or are these the actual democrats in a government in exile style situation, despite the majority being from Orbans party?

    Like seriously, how do you square this now

  • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    the bloc's democratic values

    Like when their citizens democratically decided to nuke their own economies for the benefit of uncle sam's quest to maintain hegemony

  • MeltyBloodPlayer [it/its,they/them]
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    2 years ago

    when the EU barged into hungary and said "it's democratin time" and democracied all over the place that was pretty fucked up

  • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    So slightly related but RFE's hungarian branch posted an article today about a meeting Orbán and the government had last week with members of the national bougies and influencers close to the party which has the next interesting passage (deepl translation ahead, sorry):

    "By 2030, the V4 will become net contributors, and Orbán said that at that time we must reflect on if EU membership makes sense, and what membership gives us under these circumstances, and if we cannot find a positive answer, we must draw conclusions. The Prime Minister also said that Europe was not prepared for the rise of new players in global politics (primarily China), and that he had already seen this in 2010, that he had seen how effective Chinese state capitalism was, and that he would therefore like to develop a similar economic model in Hungary, which is the basis of his so-called unorthodox economic policy."

    Just to add to this, his branch of state capitalism is destined to fail, because he considers things like unemployment pay and things like that "handouts" and does nothing to raise the standards of living, which causes people to run west. In the meantime he expects people to start families but not doing anything to meaningfully help people with that.

    • Commander_Data [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      So basically he wants to turn Hungary into the average westerner's understanding of China.

    • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      In the meantime he expects people to start families but not doing anything to meaningfully help people with that.

      shinzoabe.jpg

  • gav09 [any]
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    2 years ago

    poland has done everything that hungary has in terms of leaning into fash, except poland has joined into the russian autosanctions debacle while hungary has remained ambivalent, so that’s where this stems from

    • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      I mean the playing field is certainly leaning towards them, but the reason he's on power since 2010 is much more that the opposition make Juan Guaido look like the most competent politician in the world.