The problem is that there's no truly reliable way of knowing on a mainstream porn search engine what was made with exploitation, or for that matter was intended for private viewing but later used as revenge porn later, and issues like that.
Edit: It isn't guaranteed that personal distribution is exploitation free but it certainly is more likely to be made and distributed without exploitation compared to PornHub or RedTube or the like. The :reddit-logo: style argument of "if any exceptions exist, no conclusions can be drawn at all" is sophistic and tiresome to me.
was intended for private viewing but later used as revenge porn later
Gonewild on Reddit tries to avoid this by having users post a picture of themselves with their user name, date, and "Gonewild" written on a piece of paper. It's not perfect and I'm sure some content gets posted without consent, but I don't know what else you could do that wouldn't require people to like send in their driver's licenses.
It beats the "if there's any possibility of the system being bypassed, it is just as flawed as any other system, therefore all porn and all porn distribution is equally right and wrong and consequently everything should be permitted because that's better than nothing being permitted" :reddit-logo: spectrum of takes, especially.
any art made for a corporation was made with exploitation, but that doesn't stop us from watching tv or listening to mainstream music
barring a reflection you can't know if a gun was pointed at the subject of a photograph, but I don't think i'm further harmed by some new person who i will never meet and cannot identify me seeing a picture of my butthole that someone screenshotted from snapchat or a google engineer illegally copied out of my email.
i have no idea what your point was then. if some hentai artist was forced to draw a kink they don't like or scammed out of money they were owed by a publisher, that harm is done and dusted long before the work is scanlated and uploaded somewhere you or I would see it, and we don't compound the harm done by passively copying and observing art.
You sort of brought in your own hentai advocacy here from the start and I was talking almost entirely about videos and photography, as was focus of the topic of this thread.
it applies the same way. you don't know who I am or what I look like or which butthole is my butthole so how exactly do you assume any moral culpability from looking at a "stolen" or coerced picture of my butthole?
This is getting into borderline :reddit-logo: territory up to and including "it's almost as if that cartoon child porn is just lines on a page or just numbers in a computer" argument methods and I find those reductionist and sophistic, so I'm choosing to disengage.
there's always hentai and purported exhibitionists posting their own nudes, while not free of social problems don't carry nearly the same baggage.
The problem is that there's no truly reliable way of knowing on a mainstream porn search engine what was made with exploitation, or for that matter was intended for private viewing but later used as revenge porn later, and issues like that.
Edit: It isn't guaranteed that personal distribution is exploitation free but it certainly is more likely to be made and distributed without exploitation compared to PornHub or RedTube or the like. The :reddit-logo: style argument of "if any exceptions exist, no conclusions can be drawn at all" is sophistic and tiresome to me.
Gonewild on Reddit tries to avoid this by having users post a picture of themselves with their user name, date, and "Gonewild" written on a piece of paper. It's not perfect and I'm sure some content gets posted without consent, but I don't know what else you could do that wouldn't require people to like send in their driver's licenses.
That does seem to be an improved system.
It beats the "if there's any possibility of the system being bypassed, it is just as flawed as any other system, therefore all porn and all porn distribution is equally right and wrong and consequently everything should be permitted because that's better than nothing being permitted" :reddit-logo: spectrum of takes, especially.
any art made for a corporation was made with exploitation, but that doesn't stop us from watching tv or listening to mainstream music
barring a reflection you can't know if a gun was pointed at the subject of a photograph, but I don't think i'm further harmed by some new person who i will never meet and cannot identify me seeing a picture of my butthole that someone screenshotted from snapchat or a google engineer illegally copied out of my email.
I think you missed the main point of what I had posted, regarding where the stuff is picked up and with how many degrees of separation from the maker.
you were talking about the provenance of digital files, yes?
Not specifically, no.
i have no idea what your point was then. if some hentai artist was forced to draw a kink they don't like or scammed out of money they were owed by a publisher, that harm is done and dusted long before the work is scanlated and uploaded somewhere you or I would see it, and we don't compound the harm done by passively copying and observing art.
You sort of brought in your own hentai advocacy here from the start and I was talking almost entirely about videos and photography, as was focus of the topic of this thread.
it applies the same way. you don't know who I am or what I look like or which butthole is my butthole so how exactly do you assume any moral culpability from looking at a "stolen" or coerced picture of my butthole?
This is getting into borderline :reddit-logo: territory up to and including "it's almost as if that cartoon child porn is just lines on a page or just numbers in a computer" argument methods and I find those reductionist and sophistic, so I'm choosing to disengage.
Knowing that I'm appreciating the work of a writer/artist does enhance my enjoyment of doujinshi or other such artwork