ok, then replaced dog with pig. Or Aardvark. The logic is unchanged. Jesus, I would have hoped that people who considered themselves "communists" would be better able to think this through.
I am fortunate that I get to spend a lot of time around wild animals, and I feel that they're regard for the world around them, each other, their offspring, suffering, and anything else you can think of is not human. They shouldn't be anthropomorphized. Your ability to relate to them (and vice versa) is very limited.
This isn't a criticism of being compassionate towards animals, but something to keep in mind. I wouldn't feel confident in your ability to read them on an emotional level.
I spend an enormous amount of time around wildlife, it's part of my fucking job actually. And it requires no anthropomorphization and it does not mean that their suffering is identical to human suffering (no shit, you don't need to be an animal expert to recognize this obvious reality). Their experience, their suffering is real. And just as a colonial power could never understand the experience and suffering of a colonized populous, the fact that you write it off as "different therefore invalid" means you are not. a. leftist. That's really what your whole argument boils down to, their suffering is different than human suffering, therefore it doesn't need to be considered or valued.
lol. It has nothing to do with how I "read them on an emotional level." I don't need to to regard them as worthy of NOT TORTURING THEM TO DEATH BECAUSE THEY TASTE GOOD.
Fine. I've got to go to bed. I can reliably relate to other people, which I suppose is at least part of the reason I don't eat them. I don't actually eat animals very often either. I don't know or care if there's some universal truth to eating animals being unjust. This is mostly distraction from my original assertion that veganism is fine, but it's not communism.
Yeah, I guess you're right, the ability to experience suffering doesn't count as something that might bind things together into any kind of category. If it ain't human, fuck it! Right?
What's our question? About distinctions existing? Yeah, they do. And guess qhat, distinctions between human lineages exist too! Oh no.
As far as capacity to suffer? No. No difference. As far as capacity to do human-level shit like uh, read? Yes, difference. The question isn't whether or not goats can read though, it's whether or not they, and other animals can experience a life, can suffer, can feel joy, etc. And guess what, they can do all those things. And if your empathy ends at those who can read, then... fuck you, you're not a comrade.
ok, then replaced dog with pig. Or Aardvark. The logic is unchanged. Jesus, I would have hoped that people who considered themselves "communists" would be better able to think this through.
I am fortunate that I get to spend a lot of time around wild animals, and I feel that they're regard for the world around them, each other, their offspring, suffering, and anything else you can think of is not human. They shouldn't be anthropomorphized. Your ability to relate to them (and vice versa) is very limited.
This isn't a criticism of being compassionate towards animals, but something to keep in mind. I wouldn't feel confident in your ability to read them on an emotional level.
I spend an enormous amount of time around wildlife, it's part of my fucking job actually. And it requires no anthropomorphization and it does not mean that their suffering is identical to human suffering (no shit, you don't need to be an animal expert to recognize this obvious reality). Their experience, their suffering is real. And just as a colonial power could never understand the experience and suffering of a colonized populous, the fact that you write it off as "different therefore invalid" means you are not. a. leftist. That's really what your whole argument boils down to, their suffering is different than human suffering, therefore it doesn't need to be considered or valued.
lol. It has nothing to do with how I "read them on an emotional level." I don't need to to regard them as worthy of NOT TORTURING THEM TO DEATH BECAUSE THEY TASTE GOOD.
Fine. I've got to go to bed. I can reliably relate to other people, which I suppose is at least part of the reason I don't eat them. I don't actually eat animals very often either. I don't know or care if there's some universal truth to eating animals being unjust. This is mostly distraction from my original assertion that veganism is fine, but it's not communism.
alright, goodnight.
That seems like a pretty fucked up, lib thing to say but go off I guess.
If it's not, it should be. And more and more, the two are becoming interwoven, as well they should, as well they need to be.
"Umm actually when you replace this one thing with this completely different thing your argument fails. There's actually zero difference..."
But you still haven't answered my question, you tried to dodge it.
Yeah, I guess you're right, the ability to experience suffering doesn't count as something that might bind things together into any kind of category. If it ain't human, fuck it! Right?
What's our question? About distinctions existing? Yeah, they do. And guess qhat, distinctions between human lineages exist too! Oh no.
No, the question was this:
And you're even doing it again.
As far as capacity to suffer? No. No difference. As far as capacity to do human-level shit like uh, read? Yes, difference. The question isn't whether or not goats can read though, it's whether or not they, and other animals can experience a life, can suffer, can feel joy, etc. And guess what, they can do all those things. And if your empathy ends at those who can read, then... fuck you, you're not a comrade.
Have fun building that leftist movement centered around the most unpopular cause you can think of.
Yeah, because what's popular has always been the driving force of communist movements. It's never had anything to do with what's right and just.
this is a :PIGPOOPBALLS: certified take
Said better than I could have. Thanks, comrade.