The idea is that c/food should be vegan and all the pot roasts (corpses), smoked meats (also corpses), and homemade pizzas (again, covered in corpses) could go in a newly-made comm, something like c/carnism or something. I dunno, we could even let the carnists pick their comm name, I don't care.
But basically, if Hexbear is going to be a vegan site, then pictures of corpses should not be in a comm called c/food, because corpses aren't food.
You're cringe dork shit.
Boom. Roasted. You will never recover.
Ok. Why not? Do you think it would never happen and so any agitation that way is useless? Or do you prefer the current situation? And if you prefer the current situation, can I ask why?
I think we're in the middle of a struggle session. Honestly I think butthurt carnists are to blame for the current drama. But this just seems like poring petrol on a fire. At least wait 2 weeks.
That's all fair, very much so. I'm kind of torn, because on the one hand, I figure maybe we should strike while the iron is hot. On the other hand, I'm perfectly happy to wait and bring this up in a couple of weeks once stuff has calmed down. Me being unsure is basically why I brought it up here and not in c/feedback. I wanted some thoughts from fellow vegans first.
Be careful not to let that two weeks turn into a year and a half. Been there, done that
Haha, yeah, fair enough. I'll try. We'll see how things go, I guess.
personally I just think posts reveling in the suffering of innocent victims of murder should simply be banned sitewide, but apparently im annoying which is a greater crime :shrug-outta-hecks:
I mean, sure, I agree. But given that we're not getting that (just look at the ratio of upvotes comments by vegans get vs comments by carnists), could this be a reasonable compromise? It seems less shitty of a compromise to me than allowing corpses in the "food" comm, as long as they're labeled. Quarantine the carnists in their own little comm, rather than quarantining us in ours, you know?
A good rule of thumb is to not suggest a compromise to your own advocacy. Let the people with whom you're negotiating do that. I understand and appreciate the sentiment of trying to build bridges, but the omnis are going through a period of cognitive dissonance and with cartoonish reactionary sentiments that we've all seen in other struggle sessions (leftists that have told others to self-crit proving that they can't do that themselves). They are very much in a mood to stick vegans in their corner - hell I think most missed the message in the first place since it was only stickied for like a day.
This site is pro-animal liberation, so in reality no pictures of corpses should be posted. The carnists are losing their shit over the smallest step forward. They still get to post their murder treats in the !food , but now they don't get the safety of saying "stay in your comm!!! :wojak-nooo:
Alright, I'll hang back and see how things go.
For whatever reason, the compromise surrounding pictures of corpses in c/food has never sat right with me and I just really would like the status quo to change. But that's ok, I can also unsubscribe from c/food, I just haven't done so yet.
I completely understand what you're saying. I think the best step would have been to ban all pictures of corpses and animal products, but unfortunately I'm not on the staff (just a comm mod). I hope in the future this is the direction the site goes
Thank you for speaking up for animal rights and liberation :rat-salute-2: :heart-sickle:
Despite what carnists say, we actually have compromised here. They act like asking for a CW is asking for the whole world. They are very fragile, so challenging their privilege even slightly feels like oppression to them, even though they're the ones oppressing nonhumans everyday. Making them think about the violence they do and how it might be triggering for other humans around them makes them feel bad, and that's unacceptable. If vegans feel bad about seeing corpses, they're big babies who should get over it. If carnists feel bad about having to add a CW, it's because they're victims of the mean vegan agenda!
Yeah, it sure is a compromise. And one I've been unhappy about since it was instituted. Here's hoping it changes.
As we speak, omnis in c/food are failing to understand that a CW on a meat post is, in fact, not enough for the vegans to shut up.
It's really rich seeing omnis getting mad and saying that the mods are being accommodating to vegans in every sub. Like buddy, did you not realize that not being anti-vegan is a site-wide rule now? Post omni recipes at your own risk. Or better yet, try to make a dish without a fucking animal product for once and post that (challenge: impossible).
Omnis are also referring to the previous site rule of quarantine all vegan discussion to /c/vegan with fondness and saying "wtf I thought this was resolved?". That's fucking easy to say when you didn't have to confront any pushback on your lifestyle at the time and could have also just as easily filtered out /c/vegan from your home feed to boot. The more I think about it, the more it's kind of fucked that that quarantine happened to begin with (I was lurking at the time but hadn't made an account and wasn't really super privy to all of that drama at the time). For the longest time, I thought the lack of vegan discussion outside of /c/vegan was just an organic occurrence until very recently.
Like I said in another comment, there are very few safe spaces that exist for vegans on the internet, much left vegan leftists, so if you really need to post a corpse and want everyone to sing your praises, go to fucking /r/food or some shit, or perhaps learn from the fact that vegans keep pushing back on corpse recipes in /c/food and adapt accordingly.
To a scavenger, corpses are food. Even though humans aren't obligate scavengers (or even obligate hunters), I don't know how to square that.
Isn't it more important how an animal lives, than what happens to the ex-animal once it's dead?
Think about this in a materialist sense. What happens if we continue to treat animal corpses as consumables and commodities? People will be incentivized to kill living animals so that they can aquire corpses to eat or sell. If we continue to treat nonhumans as resources, the ideologies of speciesism and carnism will never die.
Imagine it was okay to use human women's corpses however you wish. Don't you think that would fuel violence against women and bleed into their life as well? Knowing that as soon as we die, we will be someone's commodity? Wouldn't it cause people to treat women as disposable because they can get something out of it?
We don't need to eat non-human corpses. We don't need to eat granny. We don't need to commodify death nor create an incentive to cause death. We can eat beans, grains, pulses, fruit, vegetables, and fungi.
I don’t know how to square that.
The idea is to denormalize thinking of animals as your food. They're dead bodies and you don't need to eat them.
There are also coprophiles, even human ones, and yet I'd get very little pushback if I said to not eat poop.
Isn’t it more important how an animal lives, than what happens to the ex-animal once it’s dead?
Normalizing the eating of corpses is an essential component of creating corpses to eat.
To a scavenger, corpses are food.
Ok, eat only roadkill. I don't care. Enjoy.
Isn’t it more important how an animal lives, than what happens to the ex-animal once it’s dead?
do you know anything about factory farms
do you know anything about factory farms
That's exactly what I was talking about. Not subjecting animals to lives of torture is the most important thing in my mind. Second to this is making sure they live at least the typical length of life they would have in the wild.
Ok? And basically every corpse picture you see on c/food is the remains of a factory farmed animal? What's your point?
On the event of my death I would prefer for my body to be eaten by other organisms rather than cremated or embalmed. I don't see my physical body as something that I want to preserve for eternity. I've accepted that it's futile to try to live forever as my "individual" self.
That doesn't mean we should accelerate any process of carnivory. I think we have a duty to minimize the suffering of all sentient beings that we have power over. That really applies to their life, although I accept the argument multiple people ITT have made that especially in this society and probably in general, normalizing eating carcasses opens the door to the widespread objectification of sentient beings.
No, as long as a corpse has a content warning, they're allowed in c/food.
