My supporters group for my small local football team already flies pride, anti-fascist, and pro-union flags at away games (we've covered a stand at our home ground already & actually had a bit of a scrap defending them tonight).

A couple of people want to add a straight-ally flag. It's a nice enough flag and nice concept, but as far as I'm aware it doesn't have much actual history and feels a little bit like hedging your bets (like saying "I'm supportive but definitely not queer in any way") but maybe I'm just being overly concerned as a not particularly binary-embracing but mostly boringly cis-het guy.

Thoughts from any queer or otherwise identifying comrades?

UPDATE: as I felt, consensus seems to be that it's cringe at best. I feel like it creates a needless dividing line and reinforces some problematic dynamics. I've also talked to the two openly queer people in our supporters group and while they didn't have strong opinions. One didn't care either way and the other felt a little odd about it although didn't feel strongly. So I'm gonna suggest to our group that we don't fly it and stick with just the more traditional pride flags.

  • booty [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    that looks really cringe ngl

    i dont like any variations of the pride flag, either. if you want to make other flags depicting other specific identities thats cool and all, but adding shit to the pride flag to make it, like, inclusive of trans people or poc or anything like that is missing the point. the pride flag is already inclusive of those groups. it's a rainbow. it includes everyone already. thats the whole thing.

    • silent_water [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      there's a flag that explicitly includes trans people because there's a very vocal segment of the population that's trying to exclude us from the trans flag - look up the LGB Alliance. and the POC thing is about decentering white people. these flags are revisions that address present political realities. even if the original flag technically includes everyone, the active movements to exclude are enough reason for these flags to exist.

      none of these things are true of cishet people as a group. this flag is at best an attempt to redirect back to cishets and away from queer people and at worst its another go at straight pride.

      • booty [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        there’s a flag that explicitly includes trans people because there’s a very vocal segment of the population that’s trying to exclude us from the trans flag

        doesn't making a new flag then complete the process by also implicitly excluding yourself? just use the pride flag. and the trans pride flag too, like thats cool. but mashing them together just looks bad and misses the point

        • silent_water [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          both sides of of the conflict claim that the flag includes everyone AND use the flag. the disagreement is over the existenceof trans people. the point of the new flag is to signal to trans people that you're safe and not exterminationist.