How do you know that for sure? It's millions dead in a shithole like the US where the government just doesn't give any fucks. I'm not convinced there isn't a more sensible middle-of-the-road way between constant state of emergency and just not giving any fucks.
Also don't Cuba and Vietnam have looser Covid policies? How are they faring wrt to the death rate?
Because vaccines don't stop the spread and offer limited protection against long covid. Are y'all not getting that regardless of your vaccination status, there is a limited amount of times you can catch a virus that attacks your immune system, your microcirculatory system, and all your organs?
Is long covid really that big of a deal for most people? I know exactly one person with a mild form of long-covid (sense of smell got fucked up) and I know a bunch of people that got it two or more times with no long term effects. I also only indirectly know of somebody dying from it.
Almost everybody I know that got vaxxed didn't really suffer too much from it. Also this year's wave is much smaller at least in my country, way less deaths than a year ago from now. My nurse friends aren't reporting any major surges in nearly a year.
Covid is nasty but I don't think it's going to be the end of us, I think a lot of people on this site are a bit too :doomer: about it. Honestly when it comes to pandemics we got fucking lucky, could have been a way nastier virus.
Looks like a low vaccination rate problem. In most articles experts are calling for more kids getting their boosters, which yeah I would completely agree with, boosters are cool and good and I would consider it a prerequisite for lifting strict zero-covid.
Again, how come Vietnam and Cuba don't have hundreds of thousands of deaths without having a strict zero-covid policy?
The article is paywalled, here's an archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20221123125303/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/
The article is fairly scant on details but it seems the point it's trying to make is get the updated booster because your old vaccine immunity evaporated, which uh yeah makes sense. It doesn't look like the vaccines got worse, just that people refuse to get their boosters.
Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August were people who were vaccinated or boosted
If I put in the effort to find the research that shows that countless people with vaccines and boosters were killed and disabled, will it change your mind? Like I can do it, but I suspect that you're not going to budge.
Vietnam did have a strict zero covid, now they have thousands dead. Cuba had their borders locked, now they also have thousands dead. In both cases we have no idea how many hav long covid; which is why our pediatric hospitals are packed with rsv cases, because a significant chunk of the US population is now immunocompromised. We can stop now. You're clearly on board with some number of social murder.
You’re clearly on board with some number of social murder.
Everybody is on board with some number of social murder. Otherwise you should also be for banning cigarettes, alcohol, cars, being fat etc. A lot of human activities and behaviors are potentially hazardous yet we indulge in them, I don't see how this is any different. People die from the flu too, why don't we have zero-flu policies?
Also it's not like I'm saying China should imitate the west, just that there is probably a more tolerable middle-ground.
You pretending that chinese people aren't gonna be pissed with policies like these in the long term is just plain idealism. There's literally a person from China in this thread saying they're fucking sick of it already.
Also looking at Cuba it doesn't look that bad, it seems they got through the worst of it like many other countries: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/cuba/
People die from the flu too, why don’t we have zero-flu policies?
Good question I’ve actually been asking that for years. During flu season we should 100,000% do screening tests for flu at peoples workplaces and schools and quarantine and isolate those who are sick. Also mandatory vaccines and masks in public places.
It would save thousands of lives yearly as well as save millions of dollars in “productivity” because people with the flu are bad at working, and also prevents cumulative years of human misery.
Otherwise you should also be for banning cigarettes, alcohol, cars, being fat etc
Despite the best efforts of those who make money off of them, all of these things are still significantly easier to avoid than the most infectious virus known to man.
Yes, long covid is that big a deal, and it gets worse every time you get it. And if it continues to spread uncontained everyone is going to get it over and over and over for the rest of your life, until everyone is so wracked with the burden of disease they can't function.
"Minimizing the impact" is still millions dead and disabled.
How do you know that for sure? It's millions dead in a shithole like the US where the government just doesn't give any fucks. I'm not convinced there isn't a more sensible middle-of-the-road way between constant state of emergency and just not giving any fucks.
Also don't Cuba and Vietnam have looser Covid policies? How are they faring wrt to the death rate?
Because vaccines don't stop the spread and offer limited protection against long covid. Are y'all not getting that regardless of your vaccination status, there is a limited amount of times you can catch a virus that attacks your immune system, your microcirculatory system, and all your organs?
Is long covid really that big of a deal for most people? I know exactly one person with a mild form of long-covid (sense of smell got fucked up) and I know a bunch of people that got it two or more times with no long term effects. I also only indirectly know of somebody dying from it.
Almost everybody I know that got vaxxed didn't really suffer too much from it. Also this year's wave is much smaller at least in my country, way less deaths than a year ago from now. My nurse friends aren't reporting any major surges in nearly a year.
Covid is nasty but I don't think it's going to be the end of us, I think a lot of people on this site are a bit too :doomer: about it. Honestly when it comes to pandemics we got fucking lucky, could have been a way nastier virus.
Go to Google News and search Pediatric Hospitals.
Looks like a low vaccination rate problem. In most articles experts are calling for more kids getting their boosters, which yeah I would completely agree with, boosters are cool and good and I would consider it a prerequisite for lifting strict zero-covid.
Again, how come Vietnam and Cuba don't have hundreds of thousands of deaths without having a strict zero-covid policy?
Deaths of vaccinated people have surpassed non vaccinated deaths
I'm def pro vaccine, but vaccination is only one tool amongst many.
The article is paywalled, here's an archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20221123125303/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/
The article is fairly scant on details but it seems the point it's trying to make is get the updated booster because your old vaccine immunity evaporated, which uh yeah makes sense. It doesn't look like the vaccines got worse, just that people refuse to get their boosters.
If I put in the effort to find the research that shows that countless people with vaccines and boosters were killed and disabled, will it change your mind? Like I can do it, but I suspect that you're not going to budge.
Vietnam did have a strict zero covid, now they have thousands dead. Cuba had their borders locked, now they also have thousands dead. In both cases we have no idea how many hav long covid; which is why our pediatric hospitals are packed with rsv cases, because a significant chunk of the US population is now immunocompromised. We can stop now. You're clearly on board with some number of social murder.
Everybody is on board with some number of social murder. Otherwise you should also be for banning cigarettes, alcohol, cars, being fat etc. A lot of human activities and behaviors are potentially hazardous yet we indulge in them, I don't see how this is any different. People die from the flu too, why don't we have zero-flu policies?
Also it's not like I'm saying China should imitate the west, just that there is probably a more tolerable middle-ground.
You pretending that chinese people aren't gonna be pissed with policies like these in the long term is just plain idealism. There's literally a person from China in this thread saying they're fucking sick of it already.
Also looking at Cuba it doesn't look that bad, it seems they got through the worst of it like many other countries: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/cuba/
Good question I’ve actually been asking that for years. During flu season we should 100,000% do screening tests for flu at peoples workplaces and schools and quarantine and isolate those who are sick. Also mandatory vaccines and masks in public places.
It would save thousands of lives yearly as well as save millions of dollars in “productivity” because people with the flu are bad at working, and also prevents cumulative years of human misery.
Dude, I'm done. Go :LIB: at someone else, please.
Holy fuck, no
Despite the best efforts of those who make money off of them, all of these things are still significantly easier to avoid than the most infectious virus known to man.
Yes, long covid is that big a deal, and it gets worse every time you get it. And if it continues to spread uncontained everyone is going to get it over and over and over for the rest of your life, until everyone is so wracked with the burden of disease they can't function.