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a) shock value doesn't work anymore
b) regardless, you failed, this looks more like schlocky mid 2000's horror. Or manhunt, but I repeat myself
c) it's kind of really funny that they still censor nudity. A lot less funny that only the women are naked. Really bad vibes.
d) looks boring
I think they could salvage this if it was like a bait and switch and one of the victims is secretly a demon or something and starts hunting you. All the OP slasher tropes are reversed, becoming frustrating, borderline game breaking bullshit instead of enabling a power fantasy. I'd say hire me but I want nothing to do with this thing :nyet:
it’s kind of really funny that they still censor nudity.
CW:mentioning sexual violence
Do they really? That seems unlikely to me considering these guys also made Succubus and that game has fully-nude explicit rape scenes with vulvas and erect dicks and all.
I was... not aware of that :what-the-hell:
In the steam page trailer it was censored, but I guess that's just compliance with store policy then?
Yup, honestly I thought some of the content of Succubus was actually against Steam's store policy, but then again, Sex With Hitler is also a game that exists on steam so I guess they've given up on having any rules.
For what it's worth, there are things I liked about Succubus. It was mostly just very edgy trash though.
It was basically an off-brand Bloodrayne 2 remake by devs with terminal 4chan brain. I had a longer comment about how it was basically just a schlocky and way too horny slasher b-movie and that was its most redeeming feature because its gameplay was weirdly dated and very repetitive, but it got eaten by the site and just pointing at Bloodrayne 2 (not the first Bloodrayne, since that was janky rubbish but actually good since it was just "wot if you could bullet time to cut up Nazis over and over for literally hours" the game) and saying "that, but way hornier and more graphic" makes the same point.
a) shock value doesn’t work anymore
It may not shock as much, but as a brand identifier plenty of Epic G!mers buy "shock," no matter how stale, because they see themselves as mature grown-ass men that would have their masculinity (and orientation) threatened by anything that isn't violence for violence's sake.
Manhunt, for all its edge, was definitely not this bad. All the guys you killed in both games were psycho killers, white supremacists or cops who were actively trying to kill you. The first game's plot was orchestrated by a depraved film producer and snuff film enthusiast who you are trying to stop. I think the second game was about unethical military psychology experiments or something.
They also had that trademark Rockstar Satirical™️ edge that gave everything a comedic detached feel. This is just playing everything straight and having you play the villain
Use an extremely powerful character customization system to make new victims for your prison. Name them, select a tone of voice and add a detailed description on the figure card, and then use the camera to conduct a live stream of her torture!
Gotta love that they can just assume the gender of the victim. They know exactly their target audience.
:xi-plz: :xi-plz: :xi-plz: :xi-plz:
Use an extremely powerful character customization system to make new victims for your prison. Name them, select a tone of voice and add a detailed description on the figure card, and then use the camera to conduct a live stream of her torture!
"HEY EPIC G!MERS, STILL ENRAGED ABOUT LITERALLY WHO?!" :frothingfash: :brrrrrrrrrrrr:
Ehh I think there's a bit of difference, you're generally supposed to sympathise with the characters in 70s and 80s horror movies while the 00s generally made the victims as insufferable and shitty as possible so I can definitely see them as an aspect of normalising torture. Like it always felt like those movies were like "these are bad people so it's ok to feel nothing as they get brutalised".
Didn't old school slasher movies also make the victims deliberately shitty and annoying with the kills often serving as comeuppance for premarital sex or smoking weed or whatever
At least Pamela Voorhees actually had a reason to be mad about those things
Sometimes yeah, but it still feels, at least to me, that more often than not horror movies from that time expected the audience to sympathize with the victims.
Cannibal exploitation films definitely played up the boorish tourist angle.
Fair enough, I was thinking more about mainstream horror from the time.
perhaps not everything can be tied neatly to capitalism at all. perhaps people enjoy an adrenaline rush in a safe, controlled environment like a movie theater - and laugh the rush off in the same way one does after riding a roller coaster.
I thought this while rewarching Blade 2 a year or so ago. When it gets to the part where he's pushing a vampire's face against a spinning motorcycle tire I started to think "man, there sure are a lot of movies from the early 2000s where the protagonist tortures someone for information and it's presented as cool and necessary".
Let's not give this any more attention than it deserves. Games like this always coast by off of controversy until they launch, when everybody realises that they're actually shit. See Agony and Hatred as previous examples.
Edit: this is also pre-alpha footage, according to the trailer. kind of dodgy to advertise a game using footage which can't be representative of the final product (nuless they're just going for controversy, like I said)
I wouldn't worry about deleting the post or anything; this release is worth being aware of. My comment was mostly aimed at the people reading the post, warning them to not get too worked up over it.
Fun fact: that same dev made a Ukrainian flag skin for the player character in Succubus and made it her default skin. And when I say "skin" I mean her literal skin, because she doesn't wear (much) clothing, so she was just dyed blue and yellow in a garish swirling pattern.
lol this studio is mainstream enough that id heard of agony & they made a sex game? wtf.
also the ukraine skin is now paid dlc if it weren't before, which makes it even funnier
lol this studio is mainstream enough that id heard of agony & they made a sex game? wtf.
It's more a gory first-person melee action game, like a sort of mount and blade lite gameplay slotted into a spectacle fighter like DMC or Bayonetta. I made the comparison elsewhere that's it's like Bloodrayne 2 if it were made by 4chan.
But yes it also contains (CW: mentions of explicit sexual content, sexual violence, and gore)
things like first-person sex "dream" scenes that the player can choose from (which is funny since they're all from the female POV so the player gets to watch a first person perspective of the PC getting fucked by a demon with a big dick), and stuff like what are mechanically healing stations being nude humans chained to racks that the PC kills by doing things like giving a guy a handjob for a few second before kicking him in the balls until he dies of being kicked in the balls or
(nested CW as above because this actually gets worse and more extreme, additional CW for miscarriage)
punching a nude pregnant woman in the stomach until the baby is physically forced out of her and then beating her to death with it.
also the ukraine skin is now paid dlc if it weren’t before, which makes it even funnier
Maybe it always was then. I pirated it and it was the default skin when I started a game, so I assumed it was just normal reactionary brain things.
Poland. Why does this shit always seep out from these wingnut enclaves. Wasn't that edgey, trenchcoat shooty-kill people game that got (temporarily) banned from Poland as well? Not to say it's all bad - Reikon, who made the awesome Ruiner are in Poland plus a few other decent indies, but still.
edit - Ruiner, not Returner - that's something else entirely.
Poland. Why does this shit always seep out from these wingnut enclaves.
But that's where wholesome chungus cyberpunkerinos come from, the ones that say not ALL cops are bastards and that working for cops is cool and punk, actually. Also that rebellion and revolution are always hypocritical and doomed to fail but being a Legend of Night City(tm) while changing nothing about society even somewhat is based and bazinga! :so-true:
Not to defend Cyberpunk but the ending where you become a legend seemed, at least to me, to be portrayed pretty negatively, like V's life seems hollow and they're constantly chasing a high of the next job which ends up destroying their relationships and themselves, like to become a legend you have to die.
Edit: also the good ending has you work together with the nomads to nearly destroy Arasaka, if you listen to the news during the epilogue it sounds like Arasaka is about to fold because of the assault that the Aldecaldos did.
eh to be fair to cybyepunkerino you can play as a cop in the tabletop version, so it could be worse.
the creator is also a mega:LIB: so the themes of revolution were never much considered
that all said :poland-cool:
This doesn't even look that well made or fun to play. Like literally aren't there already very popular and well regarded "cat and mouse" style horror games like the Friday the 13th game or that other one where they have a bunch of unlockable slashers?
the community tends to get upset if the killer plays to win for some reason.
I think it's a largely mutual agreement. The normal things that killers can do that are considered toxic are things that are less engaging (like camping someone out of the game) or are very risky gambles that avoid core parts of the loop (like not hooking), but they all have their place and for the most part when done at the appropriate time there are no hard feelings about it.
There's also a phenomenon where new killer players get relentlessly stomped on over and over until they learn the game, which at once makes them vengeful and angry towards survivors but also makes them the underdog which tends to make people more sympathetic towards others in general, so by the time someone has learned the game even though they want to stomp survivors back, they're also more likely to feel sorry for them and not always capitalize on mistakes or play particularly cutthroat if they don't feel threatened. There's a bit of a meme in the community that all the toxic killers are survivor mains just doing archives or dailies as killer.
There's also the fact that the DbD community is disproportionately LGBT for some reason, and I can speak from experience in saying it's a lot harder to be cutthroat towards someone wearing a pride flag charm.
It's so cool seeing these community dynamics arise from the mechanics of the game itself.
At least when it's not the usual :gamer-gulag: stuff, you know?
:jesus-christ: another Hatred style game that only edgy irony poisoned gamers would enjoy
They'll buy it to stick it to those wokescold SJWs, as usual. :frothingfash:
And then it'll sit in their 2000 game steam library, and they'll never actually play it because it's shit and they put all their time into EU4 or Cities Skylines, anyway.
Something something this is only illustrating it isn't condoning something something entertainment has no effect on people something something this is just realism if you don't like this you just want sunshine and rainbows. :so-true:
I've received every one of the above treat defenses, including the "sunshine and rainbows" accusations.
Sunshine and rainbows sound pretty great compared to that hog feed, to me.
somebody here getting upset about game of thrones getting criticized
It was more than a few somebodies. Some called alternatives to Gambo that have less gory torture scenes and less gratuitous sexual violence "morality plays." One coined the term "joyless scold," repeated it to me a few times, and even accused me of mental illness (because mentally ill people are bad people amirite :reddit-logo: ) for criticizing the treat.
Years ago before Hexbear existed, I remember the early wave of Gambo enthusiasm kept saying over and over again that Gambo wasn't "cookie cutter sunshine and rainbows" and was "mature." You know, the way 70s grindhouse slasher films were mature. And it's totally original and not "cookie cutter" to imitate Gambo and make shows where any character with lines and agency that survives for more than a few episodes is a smirking murderfucking sociopath.
It's all historically realistic, by the way. There was nonstop gory torture and rape in the middle ages and almost nothing else happening that could be put on camera. These things are not condoned, just illustrated. Over and over and over and over and over again with full frontal emphasis. No entertainment value intended in all of those gratuitous details. None. Also there must have been ice zombies and dragons during the War of the Roses.
idk how you find the energy to deal with activated treat defenders
Contempt, mostly. I don't back down from bullies.
For similar reasons I post regular material regarding the ongoing dumpster fire called Star Citizen. One treat defender on Hexbear did the same old "u r mentally ill" putdown because I criticized their favorite grift and I decided that means I should do it more.
I'm extra extra Jokerfied about how profitable Star Citizen is for how little is done with the revenue besides make the grifters richer. :joker-shopping:
Contrary to the accusations from the Star Citizen fan, I never spent a thin dime on the grift. I was interested and even guardedly optimistic back in, oh, 2012, about it.
When I learned that the grifters' promised Privateer/Freelancer spiritual reboot was instead going to be a promise-everything-to-everyone-with-creepy-90s-malls-everywhere-and-space-roman-fascism thing instead, I started dunking on it.
The HOURS of space car commercials were a warning for me, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIhN8lb2by0
The Roberts family has such an extensive personal grifting grasp within the Star Citizen grift that it wouldn't surprise me if it went on long enough to be dynastic.
To some, if this was considered more mainstream and P R E S T I G I O U S, like Gambo, criticizing it would mean being a "mentally ill joyless scold." :galaxy-brain:
It's got surprisingly decent production values, but maybe that's just modern game engines looking spiffy
Everyone walking around just in their boxers looks silly
