There are video games made for adult audiences just like there are movies made for adult audiences, and there are games and movies for all audiences. I'm not against media nor toys for adults (and I'm not talking about sex toys). But adults who are still heavily stuck in, say, Harry Potter or buying Marvel toys meant for kids from movies meant for kids aren't simply adults who enjoy nostalgic media, some really are manchildren.
I like big ass puzzles, but it would be silly if I kept assembling the same 100 pieces sets meant for children.
I would call, for example "Disco Elysium" a "mature" video game, or at least one that children will probably not get as much as an adult regardless of it having gore and sex/SV references.
You were just a particularly mature 13 year old. The rest of us were just grunting around a pile of rocks, marveling at the occasional cuss bestowed upon us by the mature.
Although I'm not through the first season yet, I have to commend Spy X Family for this, a lot of what I seen is really ernest for not just adult media, but anime as well. Anya isn't treated as "haha funny loli, GEDDIT!?!" and is treated like a complex character. Even the first opening shows us Anya's POV and it's really adorable.
But yeah, some of my favorite shows are A:TLA, Gravity Falls, and the Owl House because they can handle some subjects that I wish more adult shows handled. However, this makes them more endearing because they can do it all without swearing or even explicitly stating what they are talking about.
I'm completely ok with people being "manchildren" so long as they're self aware of it and own it.
I actually really hate that people think we should just throw away the imagination and joy of youth after reaching a certain age and I applaud all the people who just don't and are completely self aware of it, in a positive way.
Maybe it's fair to draw a difference between the two? The manchildren never gained self awareness, they didn't grow while maintaining youthful joy, they just didn't grow at all.
By a certain age, you should be able to critique your own interests without having an identity crisis. The real issue is just commodity fetishism. The idea that some geek's childish plastic junk is worse than your cool mature plastic junk is just a smokescreen that I see leftists fall for way too often.
Except there is no imagination. These people don't create new things or even mix old things, they just buy and consume whatever is placed on their plate by the company.
Like, there is a difference between someone who likes Superman, collects the comics and intimately knows the lore, and someone who buys every single Superman themed item for their house. One of them is interested in Superman as a character developed and shaped by writers and editors, the other is only interested in Superman as a brand shaped by company aesthetics. Perhaps if they are into the art, and art history, it could be forgiven, but that is rarely the case in my experience.
The difference is in understanding. And there can still be joy in understanding.
Did you watch the world cup celebrations? Watching the full grown men of the Argentina side jumping around like children in completely childlike glee is something I wish adults could feel comfortable doing all the time. Seeing that really has me thinking about how we emotionally neuter ourselves as adults in a way that is totally unnecessary. I'm not against people holding onto the things they like from childhood, just so long as they also become adults where it really matters.
Wait, no, not like that. You can’t analyze and critique my treats, no!
it would've helped (maybe 5%) if the people who were doing that early on understood that they were wading into an audience who had absolutely zero media literacy or notion of what media criticism looks like.
the funniest thing about how mad those dorks got about anita sarkeesian will always be that if they had just ignored her kickstarter she would've gotten like $2,000 and most of them would've never heard of her. they absolutely created their own "enemy"
My interest in video games developed as I got older. It changed from "haha I swinga da sword" to thinking about how the music is designed [1]. I like to scrounge around for piano remixes, lofi remixes, orchestral covers, and sometimes a cheeky metal cover of Bloody Tears. I obsess over unused content and enjoy seeing how a beta changes from final release [2]. I like to see how things get censored, what the original intent was, and see if there's a little bit of it that got through. I like to see how speedrunners break the game and their deep understanding of how the game runs and how to console works [3]. I like Kaze Emanuar in particular [4]. I like to see how the fighting game community tries desperately to hold it together despite awful people being everywhere [5]. I spend a fraction of a fraction of the time I used to spend playing video games, but I like to keep up with them.
Well what are video games except digital toys?
There are video games made for adult audiences just like there are movies made for adult audiences, and there are games and movies for all audiences. I'm not against media nor toys for adults (and I'm not talking about sex toys). But adults who are still heavily stuck in, say, Harry Potter or buying Marvel toys meant for kids from movies meant for kids aren't simply adults who enjoy nostalgic media, some really are manchildren.
I like big ass puzzles, but it would be silly if I kept assembling the same 100 pieces sets meant for children.
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I would call, for example "Disco Elysium" a "mature" video game, or at least one that children will probably not get as much as an adult regardless of it having gore and sex/SV references.
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yeah it's weird how mature means awooga, violence and swearwords when those are the exact interests I had when i was 13
You were just a particularly mature 13 year old. The rest of us were just grunting around a pile of rocks, marveling at the occasional cuss bestowed upon us by the mature.
not to brag but I had already learned all the swear words by 6 from my parents yelling them at each other
really is just 'wow i just murdered and tortured and shockjocked for 30 hours of content straight, it really is what we adults are all about'
nah ill just go watch pokemon or something :shocked-pikachu:
Although I'm not through the first season yet, I have to commend Spy X Family for this, a lot of what I seen is really ernest for not just adult media, but anime as well. Anya isn't treated as "haha funny loli, GEDDIT!?!" and is treated like a complex character. Even the first opening shows us Anya's POV and it's really adorable.
But yeah, some of my favorite shows are A:TLA, Gravity Falls, and the Owl House because they can handle some subjects that I wish more adult shows handled. However, this makes them more endearing because they can do it all without swearing or even explicitly stating what they are talking about.
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I'm completely ok with people being "manchildren" so long as they're self aware of it and own it.
I actually really hate that people think we should just throw away the imagination and joy of youth after reaching a certain age and I applaud all the people who just don't and are completely self aware of it, in a positive way.
Maybe it's fair to draw a difference between the two? The manchildren never gained self awareness, they didn't grow while maintaining youthful joy, they just didn't grow at all.
By a certain age, you should be able to critique your own interests without having an identity crisis. The real issue is just commodity fetishism. The idea that some geek's childish plastic junk is worse than your cool mature plastic junk is just a smokescreen that I see leftists fall for way too often.
It's not just the hobbies it's the percieved notion that they still have a teenaged worldview and lifestyle
Except there is no imagination. These people don't create new things or even mix old things, they just buy and consume whatever is placed on their plate by the company.
Like, there is a difference between someone who likes Superman, collects the comics and intimately knows the lore, and someone who buys every single Superman themed item for their house. One of them is interested in Superman as a character developed and shaped by writers and editors, the other is only interested in Superman as a brand shaped by company aesthetics. Perhaps if they are into the art, and art history, it could be forgiven, but that is rarely the case in my experience.
The difference is in understanding. And there can still be joy in understanding.
At the risk of sounding like a lib, as the fourth Doctor of Doctor Who said:
"There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes."
I don't even mind if it's all times.
Did you watch the world cup celebrations? Watching the full grown men of the Argentina side jumping around like children in completely childlike glee is something I wish adults could feel comfortable doing all the time. Seeing that really has me thinking about how we emotionally neuter ourselves as adults in a way that is totally unnecessary. I'm not against people holding onto the things they like from childhood, just so long as they also become adults where it really matters.
For me, the cringe line is crossed when people use Harry Potter or Marvel as a frame of reference for real-world politics
Video games are art.
Wait, no, not like that. You can't analyze and critique my treats, no!
it would've helped (maybe 5%) if the people who were doing that early on understood that they were wading into an audience who had absolutely zero media literacy or notion of what media criticism looks like.
the funniest thing about how mad those dorks got about anita sarkeesian will always be that if they had just ignored her kickstarter she would've gotten like $2,000 and most of them would've never heard of her. they absolutely created their own "enemy"
A more popular form of media than movies, at this point. "Video games are for children" was left by the wayside at least a decade ago.
Hey, dad games exist
My interest in video games developed as I got older. It changed from "haha I swinga da sword" to thinking about how the music is designed [1]. I like to scrounge around for piano remixes, lofi remixes, orchestral covers, and sometimes a cheeky metal cover of Bloody Tears. I obsess over unused content and enjoy seeing how a beta changes from final release [2]. I like to see how things get censored, what the original intent was, and see if there's a little bit of it that got through. I like to see how speedrunners break the game and their deep understanding of how the game runs and how to console works [3]. I like Kaze Emanuar in particular [4]. I like to see how the fighting game community tries desperately to hold it together despite awful people being everywhere [5]. I spend a fraction of a fraction of the time I used to spend playing video games, but I like to keep up with them.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnUqlRLaKnA
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pt5JXITgos
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A
[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_rzYnXEQlE
[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdNn68D8n9c