100 years of getting irrationally mad at what is essentially a :troll:
:shrug-outta-hecks: get mad nerd. Fountain is probably my favourite sculpture of all time because it's not only an attack against bourgeois art but recuperative false radicals in the avant-garde. True creativity can't exist until the structures restraining it are undermined and destroyed.
True creativity can’t exist until the structures restraining it are undermined and destroyed.
Will that ever truly happen? Socialist society will have structures that aim to create a superstructure that reinforces socialist ideology. Communist society too, presumably? Hard to see into the future that far.
Restraint in terms of consumption, training, cultural relevance, and production costs. Modernism in the 1910s-1930s is where we had a shot at something entirely different with dada/constructivism/art nouveau/New Deal FAP patronage. When the Soviets cracked down on their avant-garde it was a survival mechanism for a country under siege, but had constructivism continued it would have been a lot more liberatory than socialist realism. It wouldn't be painting socialism so much as it would be painting whatever comes after rigidly controlled aesthetics.
Why would we even make art if we were some sort of ethereal beings without bias
It's not like you'd have a lot else to do to pass the time
Will that ever truly happen?
One could argue that the undermining and destroying of said structures must be presaged by truly creative works of art. :very-intelligent:
I, personally, don't believe that creative arts are meaningfully restrained by social structures. I'm more of the opinion that creative arts are simply crowded out by industrially manufactured and mass-media saturated slop. You can find roses growing in a landfill, but you'll have to hike through a mile of shit to see them and good luck enjoying the smell.
Socialist society will have structures that aim to create a superstructure that reinforces socialist ideology. Communist society too, presumably?
Socialism and Communism are clearly not static or monocultural ideas. They are, of necessity, organizational structures that breed multi-polarity and continuous change. No Hegelian could seriously expect otherwise.
The challenge of the Socialist visionary is to join in building a society that can endure - even prosper - alongside neighbors with divergent foundations and directions. The social agents that can weave disparate social structures together will inevitably employ compelling artistic traditions. And as we have not seen an international social force capable of such a feat, this implies a future approach to art more creative than what we've seen to date.
Yeah I'm not really saying that getting art to this point is a bad thing, merely that I struggle to imagine it because I struggle to imagine a societal system that isn't repressing one form of art or another with the goal of reinforcing the ideology of the system and undermining art that threatens the system.
It's a rather silly example but I don't imagine any bourgeoise art will be particularly "free" under socialism, not that I want it to be but you get my general thought process.
I struggle to imagine a societal system that isn’t repressing one form of art or another with the goal of reinforcing the ideology of the system
Some systems are self-reinforcing in a way that doesn't require a direct social hierarchy. Capitalists, particularly Libertarians, love to disparage this kind of organization as "hive-mind" mentality. Liberals like to define it as Ludditism, particularly when it gets in the way of their Brave New World neoliberal fantasies. But people can and do act collectively in their self-interest without asking a guy like Stalin for permission. Arguably, the sharpest distinction between Russian Soviet model and the Chinese Mass Line is the degree to which the Maoists accommodated localized self-determination. Also, incidentally, what makes the Chinese system cleaner at the upper echelons but dirtier down below.
It’s a rather silly example but I don’t imagine any bourgeoise art will be particularly “free” under socialism
I think that a great deal of the appeal of bourgeois liberalism is the distance between the proletariat and the elites. Who wouldn't want to be in Elon Musk's position (prior to buying Twitter)? By contrast, I'm not enormously envious of the guy that runs a mid-sized boat dealership. If that mid-sized boat dealership guy wants to cosplay as Harry Potter or write neo-confederate fan fiction, even less so.
One is inevitably going generate more emulation than the other.
My grandmother had a Kinkade and I thoroughly enjoyed throwing it in the trash after she died
how does that article have 0 pictures of his work? ive heard of him but hearing his name isnt enough to conjure a memory of any of his stuff
Not sure if I wanna be the woman on the left experiencing erotic asphyxiation or be drinking from the one on the right :panting:
Duchamp painted this. I like to think The Fountain was him saying he has mastered painting and it's completely beneath him.
Agreed.
Artists can be comrades but when they reach that level of being glorified money launderers for the ruling class, the line blurs.
Whats your excuse?
I'm not 5 years away from the end of my natural lifespan by pox
I'm not being paid by a rich benefactor to spend all my time on this one piece of art. (that said, I have terrible self-discipline and am not doing the art I actually can afford to do)
WE WUZ ARTISTZ!
Shut the fuck up. What have white suburbanites contributed to modern culture recently? Black people, the LGBT community, and Jews have contributed almost everything that makes :amerikkka: remotely bearable. What have you snobs done?
I get your point, but Jewish people are not a secular group really.
Kinda caught that myself, so now I'm making it more Christian specific.
that's from, what, 1917? urinal tech hasn't changed much, huh?
Gods been putting his science points into crypto coins instead of piss tech
I remember some account of Lenin viewing modern art and just not sure what to think and said he was old
