It's the same reaction as there was to gay people but fifteen years behind every time. This is because they think due to Trans people being accepted by cis gay communities earliest and therefore being in the whole lgbtq angle makes it ALSO something based in who you want to fuck instead of who you want to be. They don't see Trans women as women, they see them as a New Gay Type and they just don't see Trans men at all. Gender binary brain limits these people into thinking that gender expression is always inherently tied to sexual desires.
Men viewed as giving up their patriarchal dominance is viewed as threatening to patriarchy, whereas women gaining patriarchal dominance is viewed as a positive thing because they're trying to gain patriarchal power. This is why the focus was primarily on gay men rather than lesbians back in the day, and it's why the focus is on transwomen more than transmen today. The transwomen are viewed as giving up patriarchal power, and that's a threat to people with patriarchal power that want to maintain patriarchy, it causes a visceral emotional reaction in them.
The reactions to the two look so similar because they have exactly the same reasons.
I got carried away writing and decided to boil my post down to be a post people wont scroll over, but yeah, that was in the first draft. On ancient Greece lesbian sex wasn't even considered sex cause there wasn't a dude involved where there was super weird rules about how to be homo but no homo.
There's also just the absolute fucking laziness involved in not understanding that wanting to change you gender or how you express it can have very little sexual inspiration. It's like my dad who I can recall saying when I was too young to clap back "Why do gay guys act like women if they want to attract dudes who like men?". Which both indicates that my dad would only fuck a dude if it was a full Tom of Finland drawing and just the fundamental misunderstanding that people may express themselves in non sexual ways. This is especially weird because straight dude fashion is the most aesexual garm possible
If the feds are ever gonna try to blackmail me, he'd laugh at the Tom of Finland joke, be maybe a bit mad about using that example cause it was like 20 years ago he was saying that, now I'm not sure if he wouldn't or just won't around me, but calling my dad a daddy could be compromising.
Edit: I even generally don't give a fuck about opsec, if posts didn't get auto deleted anyone could find out who I am and there isn't really anything I post here that would surprise whoever has my file. But I will not have it available to anyone that I said my father was a daddy. That is for a jury of his peers to decide.
Funnily enough, I feel like it is actually completely backwards- they feel sneering scorn, hate or lust towards transwomen but the concept of transmen causes them profound, existential anxiety
Grouping scorn, hate and lust together like they're categorically the same is a bit weird. There is for sure some transphobic right wing dudes who are chasers/super into femboys (there is no difference from their perspective, there is for sure s big difference, just illustrating a mindset I disagree with) because that's the logical end game of misogyny combined with a fascist mindset. They see women as tools for reproduction and not to go full all homophobes are secretly gay, along with the ancient Greek views on sexuality they tend to worship, fascists on the whole have always wanted relationships with femboys and to use women as breeding stock. I'm not the first person to remind people that sexual preferences even if radical do ot constitute radical politics, but the further right you go, the further they absolutely do
I actually think the reaction to trans people has gone backwards. In the 50s 60s it was "War Hero and athlete now a woman, what a stunner the pretty little lady is isn't she lads!?" Which was, sexist, and a bit creepy, and not exactly body positive. But a positive portrayal for the time and accepting of their gender at least. Look like a woman, do all the artifice of being a woman, you're a woman of course what the fuck else would you be?
The bigotry seems to track with the removal of artifice from gender performance in favour of naturalist essentialism from the 1920s on (corsets are wrong and constricting, and so are wide skirts with pockets even though both are practical for the lives women actually lived. Just look like the ideal form already why don't you, or get surgery if you don't, and we'll judge you for that too!) and then accelerating in the post-60s era.
I'm not saying that the women liberation movements of the 60s caused this, (they were, mostly, good and cool and more of that please) but we can trace modern TERF anti-trans bigotry to that time, specifically a group of Lesbian Separatists and adjacent groups with a biological essentialist view of womanhood, ironically based around the ability to bear children. It's now merged with alt-right chuddery, which aside from occasional swings of trans panic mostly ignored trans people in favour of standard gay bashing until the 2000s.
Token trans characters being shoved into franchises as a means of excusing casual bigotry would be a really funny direction for things to go.
Ironically this will make conservatives mald and complain about the game.
It's the same reaction as there was to gay people but fifteen years behind every time. This is because they think due to Trans people being accepted by cis gay communities earliest and therefore being in the whole lgbtq angle makes it ALSO something based in who you want to fuck instead of who you want to be. They don't see Trans women as women, they see them as a New Gay Type and they just don't see Trans men at all. Gender binary brain limits these people into thinking that gender expression is always inherently tied to sexual desires.
Tldr: transphobes are perverts
Partly there, it's patriarchy.
Men viewed as giving up their patriarchal dominance is viewed as threatening to patriarchy, whereas women gaining patriarchal dominance is viewed as a positive thing because they're trying to gain patriarchal power. This is why the focus was primarily on gay men rather than lesbians back in the day, and it's why the focus is on transwomen more than transmen today. The transwomen are viewed as giving up patriarchal power, and that's a threat to people with patriarchal power that want to maintain patriarchy, it causes a visceral emotional reaction in them.
The reactions to the two look so similar because they have exactly the same reasons.
I got carried away writing and decided to boil my post down to be a post people wont scroll over, but yeah, that was in the first draft. On ancient Greece lesbian sex wasn't even considered sex cause there wasn't a dude involved where there was super weird rules about how to be homo but no homo.
There's also just the absolute fucking laziness involved in not understanding that wanting to change you gender or how you express it can have very little sexual inspiration. It's like my dad who I can recall saying when I was too young to clap back "Why do gay guys act like women if they want to attract dudes who like men?". Which both indicates that my dad would only fuck a dude if it was a full Tom of Finland drawing and just the fundamental misunderstanding that people may express themselves in non sexual ways. This is especially weird because straight dude fashion is the most aesexual garm possible
your dad was apparently also a daddy
Present tense. He's still alive. The joke came to me but there was no fucking way I was gonna make it myself.
lol lmfao respect
If the feds are ever gonna try to blackmail me, he'd laugh at the Tom of Finland joke, be maybe a bit mad about using that example cause it was like 20 years ago he was saying that, now I'm not sure if he wouldn't or just won't around me, but calling my dad a daddy could be compromising.
Edit: I even generally don't give a fuck about opsec, if posts didn't get auto deleted anyone could find out who I am and there isn't really anything I post here that would surprise whoever has my file. But I will not have it available to anyone that I said my father was a daddy. That is for a jury of his peers to decide.
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Funnily enough, I feel like it is actually completely backwards- they feel sneering scorn, hate or lust towards transwomen but the concept of transmen causes them profound, existential anxiety
Grouping scorn, hate and lust together like they're categorically the same is a bit weird. There is for sure some transphobic right wing dudes who are chasers/super into femboys (there is no difference from their perspective, there is for sure s big difference, just illustrating a mindset I disagree with) because that's the logical end game of misogyny combined with a fascist mindset. They see women as tools for reproduction and not to go full all homophobes are secretly gay, along with the ancient Greek views on sexuality they tend to worship, fascists on the whole have always wanted relationships with femboys and to use women as breeding stock. I'm not the first person to remind people that sexual preferences even if radical do ot constitute radical politics, but the further right you go, the further they absolutely do
I actually think the reaction to trans people has gone backwards. In the 50s 60s it was "War Hero and athlete now a woman, what a stunner the pretty little lady is isn't she lads!?" Which was, sexist, and a bit creepy, and not exactly body positive. But a positive portrayal for the time and accepting of their gender at least. Look like a woman, do all the artifice of being a woman, you're a woman of course what the fuck else would you be?
The bigotry seems to track with the removal of artifice from gender performance in favour of naturalist essentialism from the 1920s on (corsets are wrong and constricting, and so are wide skirts with pockets even though both are practical for the lives women actually lived. Just look like the ideal form already why don't you, or get surgery if you don't, and we'll judge you for that too!) and then accelerating in the post-60s era.
I'm not saying that the women liberation movements of the 60s caused this, (they were, mostly, good and cool and more of that please) but we can trace modern TERF anti-trans bigotry to that time, specifically a group of Lesbian Separatists and adjacent groups with a biological essentialist view of womanhood, ironically based around the ability to bear children. It's now merged with alt-right chuddery, which aside from occasional swings of trans panic mostly ignored trans people in favour of standard gay bashing until the 2000s.