• emizeko [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    almost like the whole thing is a ponzi scheme built on white supremacy

  • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Growing up during the German plunder of southern Europe of the early 2010s... in southern Europe meant that you heard about stuff like the "Spread" and credit ratings going down on an almost daily basis as your life slowly got worse, while the amount of Ferraris driving around the villa neighborhoods did not diminish and your millionaire boss just opened another hotel.

  • Zodiark [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Man, I remember when some credit agency downgraded the US's credit during the early Obama admin and right-wingers just lost their mind.

    :frothingfash: :wojak-nooo: my crediterinos

    • Melitopol [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      hilarious since it was the GOP who were at least partly responsible for it by demanding spending cuts in exchange for raising debt ceiling.

  • Chump [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The ratings agencies (Moody's, S&P, and Fitch I believe) all use a scale that's closer to pro-baseball than test scores. It goes AAA (best, think government agencies like FNMA or huge corps like Microsoft), AA (next in line, mostly blue-chips), A (where SVB was ostensibly set), Baa (one notch above their speculation bracket), then Ba... etc for the speculative areas.

    A mere A rating for an organization of that size is actually pretty bad, and shows that there's substantial risk in buying their debt. You can argue they should've been even lower (I probably would), but I don't want anyone thinking that an A is the best they could have

    • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I remember growing up in a post-financial crisis country (this was before 2008) and seeing banks advertising as "we have a AAA rating". I asked my mom what that meant and she told me that they advertised it because it would tell people that they would be able to pay even if the economy went downward. Child me couldn't understand how a bank that couldn't pay the money you deposited back be allowed to even call itself a bank.

      Later in life, in a finance course, I realized that putting your money in a savings account is the equivalent of buying an easily fungible, low-return bond, or other kind of debt. I think we forget that when we deposit money in a bank.

      • familiar [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        If it's FDIC insured, the difference is just some paperwork if things go under isn't it?

        • Chump [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Only for individuals with < $250k in assets in that bank. It also has knock on effects of making banks compete to provide the highest rate of return to creditors (since the risk to individuals is basically zero, as you pointed out). This leads to banks taking riskier and riskier bets in search of those returns, because if they don't then their users will inevitably swap to one that does.

        • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          I wasn't in the US, and during that financial crisis the equivalent government mechanism to insure peoples' savings failed because of the amount of people requesting it to pay for their livelihood.

          To this day people prefer stuffing cash under their mattress than putting it in a bank, because they don't trust the banks or the government to give them their cash back.

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I remember when the "Riesgo País" number from TV determined the price of schnitzels at the butchery

    :took-restraint: