Yeah, it's not too much deeper than I already said tbh, but just the fact that Trotskyists will focus on the perfect revolution which immediately perfectly values "democracy" and "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" and shit like that without being willing to acknowledge that the struggles aren't even to this level yet. There's a ton of work to be done before this is a realistic expectation, seeing as the US will invade pretty fuckin fast or send agents to fuck with democracies. White countries often in het a bit of a pass on this because of chauvinism and an understanding of struggles, while global southern countries are castigated because the superstructural values were different before revolution and conditions even moreso different.

The specific convos don't have much added, but someone who represents this position well that you could read is Max Ajl (Tunisian). He's why I've talked to people about this