I say unusual in the sense of Japan seems to be the only one to have solved the issue of how do you transport 2 kids on a bike not with "big box" like the dutch and subsequently the entire western world but via 2 seats, they're apparently very popular over there as a means of transportation.

  • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    brain trauma is... not good, so like, why risk it on a thing that can tip over or launch you off of it in an accident, especfially when you are also risking not just one but two toddlers (one of whom is also like not strapped into the seat, lmao)

            • 7bicycles [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              It’s drilled into every child

              yeah that must means it's a great idea then, otherwise why would we be doing it?

                • 7bicycles [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Yes? Do you think Big Helmet is propagandising people to wear a helmet?

                  Why do you think neither the Dutch nor Japanese wear cycling helmets much, bud? It's not big helmet, but it is a very convenient victim blaming excuse for dead cyclists.

                  There’s a significantly higher chance of survival and lower chance of brain injury when wearing a helmet while cycling. Moving at 19-26 km/h is a high enough speed to be at risk of brain injury.

                  Yeah but people don't just keel over on a bicycle for no reason. There's significant risk of brain injury if you just fall over when walking, are we expecting people to wear helmets walking now?

                  There's a reason people crash on bicycles by themselves and it comes down to shitty infrastructure, not personal ineptitude.

                  Then there’s the risk of collision with cars.

                  your average styrofoam bicycle helmet is tested for low speed self accidents, not collisions with cars. there's a reason motorcyclists dont wear them, it's not gonna do anything if you get hit by someone going 50kph in a 1,5 ton vehicle.

                  Are you arguing that there is no risk involved in cycling?

                  No, of course not. But the risks inherent for cycling for transportation are compareable to walking and the ones for cars are much higher due to higher speeds, but no one ever gets into their mind that a bit of styrofoam is gonna help there. It's a nonsensical argument to make. I wear a helmet, it's not like I'm opposed to them, but I do this because the infrastructure is shit, a problem which japan doesn't really have in that regard.

                  • dumpster_dove [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    I can say from personal experience that the cycling infrastructure in Japan is kinda shit, but of course it depends greatly on how far you're going and what area you're in.

      • THC
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        2 years ago

        Traumatic brain injuries are so cool! I can't remember how to move my legs but at least I won't get the nerd emoji commented at me by cool guys on the internet!!!!!

        • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I'm really sorry that happened to you. I'm not the person who was arguing that helmets weren't necessary. I wrote the nerd emoji comment because I thought it was absurd that the debate was even happening and honestly believed that the anti-helmet person was just pulling the other person's leg, now I see that that wasn't the case at all.

    • 7bicycles [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      should children or hell, anyone, wear helmets in cars? They have a horrendous track record of head injuries in case of accident. What about when just walking about. what if you fall

      • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        most people don't fall out of cars onto the pavement in a slight low speed collision

        are you anti seat belt too or something lol what is this shit

        • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah, there's a difference between sitting inside a heavy metal box and balancing on two wheels connected by metal tubes, completely exposed

        • 7bicycles [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Children should wear safety straps in cars, as should adults. Head injuries are mitigated by airbags.

          Lmao, every car comes with specific instructions to make sure that your airbags don't obliterate your child in the event of a crash.

          The average biking speed in an urban environment is 19-26 km/h. Cracking your head on the pavement at that speed can be deadly.

          Boy cars travel much faster than that, why don't we expect everyone to wear helmets in those?

            • 7bicycles [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Because they have airbags and straps, as I’ve just written.

              The airbags are actively detrimental to most children to the point where you're advised to turn them off lest they seriously injure them in a crash. Every car manual since the 1980s has points about this in it. They don't work for children because they're not designed for children. Do you not understand this?

              Are you anti-helmet?

              No, I always wear one.