There's this huge spider that showed up and built a web right over the door of my workplace a few days ago. I've been keeping an eye on him but constantly advocating leaving him alone because he's not even a dangerous kind of spider. Well tonight he got offended by a new person standing in the doorway and tried to descend right onto their head, so I decided he was no longer welcome here and had to go. So I got this really powerful spider poison out, I've seen someone hit a black widow with it and it dropped out of its web instantly.
I sprayed it, and it descended on a web to try to escape the poison. And I sprayed it and sprayed it and sprayed it again. It climbed back up, descended down again, crawled up the wall, ran all around. It was awful, and I was starting to freak out. It's obvious how much it seriously did not want to die. I kept on spraying until I got a blister on my finger and I'm still fucking shaking.
How the hell do "people" kill for a living? How can you be a carnist? How soulless do you have to be to be okay with killing? This has ruined my whole night and it was one fucking bug killed in self defense.
There has never once been a "non-dangerous spider" or even a dangerous looking one 9 feet away I have ever saw any reason to use a toxic chemical to murder.
"I was so scared of this spider 9 feet outside the door to my workplace I had to grab a can of carcinogenic chemicals to hose down my workplace front door with to kill it in "self defense".
The spider's bite was not dangerous but the situation it created most certainly was
And I am calling bullshit on that and everything else you have said because I grew up around tons of different spiders some dangerous some not and you're making up a justification. If you feel bad feel bad and not try to justify using a super toxic chemical that has harmful effects on not only the spider.
Also how exactly did you spray this spider from 9 feet away? All of this sounds like bullshit.
I did what I had to do, there really was not a nonviolent option here.
And I sprayed it 9 feet away because the sprayer is really strong, if you're imagining a can that is not what I'm talking about.
there really was not a nonviolent option here.
I don't believe this actually happened and even if it did there definitely was.
Please explain how you would prevent the described situation from occurring again without using violence.
Just leaving it the fuck alone it was 9 feet away. You're the one that took the initiative to spray harmful chemicals all over the entrance to kill it when it was just chilling in its web, if someone else killed it that's not on you and I have never ever heard of a spider related traffic death so like I said I am calling bullshit.
Just leaving it the fuck alone
Yeah leaving it alone would definitely prevent it from descending onto someone again. Nice answer.
when it was just chilling in its web,
It was just chilling in its web in the same way that someone who just took a potshot at you through your window is "just chilling on the street"
Because you very clearly are.
Like you literally just compared a spider to some sort of malicious gunman. This is so laughably obvious fuck off.
I mean yeah you've obviously decided that from the moment you misread my post and got yourself all worked up about it but I've been posting here actively for months and I'm not a troll so you're literally just being an asshole to another user for absolutely no reason and hopefully when you look back on this conversation in a few hours you'll feel bad about that
No just find it highly suspicious when an extremely implausible story boohooing over how you had to kill a harmless animal is your only post in the vegan comm
I just don't often make posts dude, I comment in the vegan comm plenty when it gets posts. And I posted it here so I could avoid carnists just going "lol its just a spider stop being weird" but instead I had to deal with Mr Sherlock McReddit attacking me anyway
You're the one that in your original post said you had previously used cancerous insecticides before. Also: https://hexbear.net/comment/3447015
Why do you keep making stuff up? I have never said anything like that. If you mean the black widow I said this poison killed instantly, that was by a coworker that I was actively telling not to kill the spider and to leave it alone.
You coulda just not kept spraying it? I don't know it all just sounds extremely implausible and begging for forgiveness which is not what this channel is for. You killed the spider and you relentlessly pursued it to do so using a chemical that nobody should ever use. I don't know what else to tell you.
I was pretty sure the spider was going to die either way after the first spray so I wanted to make sure it died as quickly as possible rather than slowly and horribly. It's so weird to frame that as "relentlessly pursuing it."
And I'm not begging for forgiveness because I did nothing to be forgiven for. The point of the post is that while killing in self defense is morally justified it still feels horrible.
shoulda just smashed it instead of spraying cancerous chemicals all over your workplace door that's all I am saying if you actually believe any of what you are saying or if any of it is true that is.
I am also denying that this was in any way "self defense". Come on you know that's bullshit. If you're truly remorseful it could only be because you know what you did was wrong instead of continually trying to justify what you in your initial post stated you thought was not dangerous.
That is why this feels like bait.
shoulda just smashed it
I agree. It's not that simple which is why I went for the poison anyway but if I had known the poison would work like that I would have found another way.
I am also denying that this was in any way "self defense".
Dude you've already called me a liar like 10 different times over various "contradictions" which every time just turned out to be you not knowing how to read. I do not care what you deny, you've lost any credibility already.
You literally just called it self defense.
Before that you called it defense of a coworker which was also bullshit.
I know I did, because it was. When I warned the lady about the spider currently descending onto her head she stepped straight into the middle of the road. That's a dangerous situation created by the spider.
Before that you called it defense of a coworker
No I didn't because none of my coworkers were involved in this story. You still don't know how to read.
sounds like a dangerous situation created by you not just going to grab the thing or brushing it off of her, again I find every part of this story to be an excuse for using bug spray on a harmless critter and contaminating the area with a deadly chemical.
I'm not going to grab a massive fucking unidentified spider with my bare hands holy shit what is wrong with you
Now it's massive and unidentified? Thought you said it was not dangerous? So it was definitely identified or was it not?
BTW, "massive" spiders do not build webs.
I have said many times here that I could not 100% ID the spider but that I believed it not to have dangerous venom. Why are you still lying about literally everything I say?
This really sounds like something HR would ask to cover their ass.
"Please explain how you would prevent the described situation from occurring again without using violence."
Ah, I get it.
Funny how he never did explain it though. His solution was just "ignore the spider, let it happen again"
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What container? I'm at work, I don't have cups and bowls and whatnot lying around.
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How do I put it in the container when it's web is way up over the door
Use a broom? Idk I will do ridiculous shit to save insects.
I might have been able to get to it with a broom, I'm not 100% sure on that. I will try it if I run into a similar situation. But I hope I never do
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Mate, chill. Even if it was a lie, someone getting overly sensitive about killing a bug it's pretty common even among non-vegan people so it doesn't work as bait.
Like, someone going "ha! I made up a story about someone very sensitive and hexbear believed it" it's very ineffect8ve "trolling". Like, yeah, small things sometimes trigger very bad feelings. It happens.
you're right, I just was a biology major and one of the things I watched happen in real time was the mass extinction of many species to pesticide use in the US while doing field studies over the years and so I get a bit uh worked up over their over use. I apologized to them too.
Well it was descending on its web you could have just grabbed the web and relocated it... The fact you went straight for the poison spray that you apparently had on hand quicker than just gently moving it says something about your own instincts, honestly. I handle spiders all the time without killing them.
Well it was descending on its web you could have just grabbed the web and relocated it...
yeah my classic go-to method is to just pinch the string of web they're descending from and very quickly carry them like an upside down balloon to wherever I need them to be. happens often when gardening. sure sometimes they fall off or rapidly ascended up to my hand at which point I gotta shake 'em off, but it's not too bad. Obviously I make sure to ID the species as safe to handle, first. If I'm unsure I wear a glove.
EDIT: also sometimes I'll try to find a really long stick or something if they're too high up to reach, but at that point you're getting into "they're not even in your way" territory so why bother?
Yeah the problem for me is it was out of reach, but threatening to jump on people, and I couldn't properly ID it to know for sure that it can't hurt me (there are a lot of seriously dangerous spiders in my area) and I really didn't have anything I could use to relocate it from where it was.
When I told the lady it was trying to descend onto to back up it climbed back up into its web. There was absolutely no way I could have moved it.
So it was no longer a threat then when you gassed it? Also spiders don't attack people like that. this post smells an awful lot like
I literally do not know a single vegan who would go straight to the bug spray like that. Or anyone for that matter that would ever spray chemicals like that in their own home or anywhere else.
Genuinely why do you think it's bait??? It's literally just me venting about an experience that ruined my whole night
Come on. If it did it once it would obviously be willing to do it again. Idk wtf you mean by "spiders don't attack people like that" i literally just saw it descending directly onto this lady and it went back up when she got out of its way
You said it wasn't dangerous though. Worst case it gets smashed and you didn't get to it in time. Also spiders literally do not attack people like that. That was either sheer coincidence or as I said I suspect this is bait.
This whole post smells like bullshit.
The spider bite isn't dangerous (I think, I can't 100% id it when it's sitting like 9 feet up above the door) but it can certainly get dangerous when someone suddenly gets an enormous spider on them and falls backward into the fucking road
but it can certainly get dangerous when someone suddenly gets an enormous spider on them and falls backward into the fucking road
lmao moving goalposts now, you said this was in a hallway. Sorry but this sounds more and more like bait.
What??? When did I say this was in a hallway? Quote it? Why are you making shit up to attack me dumbass
Ok, congratulations, you win the hostile internet debatebro asshole award. So what?
I overcame arachnophobia that I had as a kid and I go far far out of my way not to kill them, I have also never once owned a can of bug poison.
This is not me debating you, I am calling this out as a troll post and that I don't believe any of it.
I don't own bug poison, this is at my workplace, at the exterior door, where I and various strangers have to spend hours standing around directly beneath where the spider made its web. While standing there, the spider began to descend on top of a stranger's head.
What part of this sounds so ridiculous to you? Considering you thought this was inside a hallway in my home I think you just didn't read lol
It sounds like you're making up a situation that you HAD to kill something you argued already was not dangerous.
I encountered a very distressing situation where I did have to kill something I would have preferred to leave alone (and did leave alone for several days) which I wanted to vent about here because of how shitty it felt. You're certainly not helping that by being a giant asshole to me
Yeah you're just calling me a liar and accusing me of trolling for literally no reason, normal behavior
Here's a song about why killing spiders is bad and relocating spiders is good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms2klX-puUU
I do my best, I literally relocated a spider from this same workplace yesterday
Saw a documentary once where they tested a pesticide on bumblebees, they watched as the poor bees died a slow agonizing death and documented it all the while showing us how exactly it all went down.
Even my non-vegan parents were like "This is some Hitler shit what the hell."
Yeah that shit is horrifying. I think I'll sooner be killed by a spider than ever touch bug poison again
Not a redditor just very
about the immediate go to of the bug spray, something I have never done in my entire life nor would I keep on hand. If I'm gonna kill a spider (assuming it is "necessary") I would choose literally any other means. Going all rambo with bug spray is what gave me sus vibes and I stick by my assumption this was bait. Like a little harmless spider is 9 feet away and you go spraying deadly forever chemicals all over to kill it after you already prevented it from the infinitesimally small chance it was going to harm the person that got in its way? And sure you can feel bad about that but the tone of this post seems to seek to be absolved from this than actually just being remorseful over not just killing it but the fact that they also state that is something they have done before. This was bait and I can't believe it isn't more obvious.they also state that is something they have done before.
Love to just openly, blatantly lie about other people. Definitely not the one trolling btw
Sorry you were fine with using deadly chemicals to kill spiders before. My mistake in wording.
Why are you still lying? Why aren't you banned yet?
What part of "I was actively telling the coworker not to kill the spider and to leave it alone" signals me being fine with killing that spider before?
You're missing the point I am making where it retreated to the ceiling according to your own words and you ran and grabbed a horrible pesticide and hosed down the entrance to your work to kill a spider that was no longer an immediate threat.
You literally said in self defense at the end of your post what the fuck? You're the one that keeps trying to change your story here.
Bro I literally have not changed my story once, every time you "catch me" in a contradiction I point out that you literally either made it up or misread something I said. Your response to those is always either to make up something else or change the topic entirely. You must be drunk or something because you're just hitting me with constant non-sequiturs and pretending they're airtight gotchas. Like what does your first sentence in this comment have to do with the comment it is replying to? Literally nothing. I have stayed and restated several times that, yes, my actions were self-defense.
No I am saying that the fact that you thought it necessary to grab a can of super toxic chemicals and hose down the front of your workplace over a spider that was by your own account 9 feet away outside was somehow "self defense" which is what your initial claim was which is patently absurd.
The spider dying was necessary. I thought the poison was the fastest and least stressful (for all involved) way to do that, due to prior experience witnessing the effect of said poison. None of this has changed in my story you just can't fucking read.
The spider dying was necessary
it was 9 feet outside the door how was this necessary?
I have read everything you have said btw.
Also nobody should ever use insecticide on one single spider (or ever for that matter) that probably would not be a threat to anyone.
The rare moment where I appreciate civility
I've only had to kill an animal maybe like 4 or 5 times in my life. Just the other day I relocated a different spider from inside the workplace. So I felt bad killing it at all, but the way it died made me wish I'd just thrown something at it or something. I expected it to be quick.
You definitely didn’t have to kill it, just used a broom to move it, plus many species will eat their webs and move themselves (orb weavers do this, and they are freaky looking mfers)
Don’t beat yourself up too much we all make mistakes, learn from it and move on.
Next time you are forced to kill maybe imagine its a nazi, and use kinetics means...
Yeah I've decided against ever touching the poison again by now. Like I said, I saw somebody use the same stuff on a black widow and it just ceased immediately, so I felt like it ought to be the least stressful way to do it.
I won't be making that mistake again
I'm sorry I didn't mean to get so aggro on you over it I just have a really hard line on use of pesticides I apologize for being an ass about it.
I wonder if spiders, or more importantly flies are annoyed by certain sound frequencies
