Did anyone here predict this time last year that the US would be in its current state? Because I sure didn't. Everything seems to be going downhill really fast. The decay seems exponential rather than linear. So with that being said, do you think the collapse could come soon? 2 years? next year? Maybe even before the end of this year? It would honestly be shocking if the US went from business as usual to civil war in the space of a few years.

    • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      look at all the splits and problems they faced in the 70s without the FBI’s help.

      The FBI very much helped with those splits, for example Eldridge Cleaver's split was based on a lot of inflamed tensions and bad information from COINTELPRO while he was in Algeria.

    • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      That's why I said latter half of the 20th century, I know the labour movement was larger before then but again, it was the red scares, Palmer Raids, HUAC purges in CPUSA, deindustrialisation putting labour on the defensive, and other more concrete stuff that caused the decline. I do think you're speaking to how it would be an incomplete story if something wasn't said about liberal hegemony and the complete takover of the universities by capital, but I still think this is part of a wider, concerted effort to undermine the left and not so much of the left thwarting itself. Not to say it doesn't happen, but I think people tend to blame the left for a lot of stuff which is the state's fault.