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  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    At their best they're not doing anything that wasn't rather normal in Europe before the 80s. At their worst they're not doing anything that wasn't rather normal in Russia under Boris Yeltsin. It's perfectly normal for capitalists to hide assets from their governments, it happens everywhere.

    • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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      The point is that the Chinese state is at odds with them, but that's just one example.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Another example is how the parliament is full of them I guess.

    • TorqueMode [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      This is the argument I hear for why people refer to China as an oligarchy like Russia.

            • TorqueMode [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Extrajudicial or kangaroo court, same difference, speak in dissent of the ruling order, you're putting your neck on the line. Reminds me of Liu Han, should have kept his mouth shut about the CCP.

              • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                There's a difference between one oligarch being assassinated by the other oligarchs for threatening their interests and a state executing numerous billionaires for corruption.

                Combine this with other measures the PRC's taken against corruption, with nationalizations, with the expansion of agricultural cooperatives, with the state siding with workers who beat their new factory owner to death for trying to fire them, with Xi making like $20,000 a year, with the state forbidding layoffs during COVID, with the greatest reduction in absolute poverty in human history (as we know, poverty is extremely profitable to capitalists), and I'm inclined to believe there's no secret capitalist oligarchy ruling the PRC.

                Also, it's the CPC, not the "CCP"; right wingers like to say "Chinese communist" because it makes them sound more threatening to racist reactionaries.

                • Pezevenk [he/him]
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                  What you are describing as the state "siding" with the workers is what is called a "concession" because there was literally tens of thousands of them. There is still some legacy of the communist era left somewhat intact. The party is a bourgeois party through and through, it is a bad interpretation of what that means to assume that this would mean that capitalists should necessarily be above the (bourgeois) law. It wasn't just "corruption" they were guilty of, they were running mafias and murdering people. Even bourgeois nations prosecute mobsters.

        • Pezevenk [he/him]
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          They do tho. Even monarchies sometimes.