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  • ARVSPEX [none/use name]
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    Why do people in the PRC have such a big stick up their arses about the acknowledgement of an external government calling itself the legitimate ruler over the mainland and the continued existence of which has only been possible due to its being backed by a foreign power that wants to fuck with Beijing?

    I have seen a lot of people calling the Chinese citizens who are not happy about t****n being considered its own entity by foreigners, not just surrounding this event but in general, as being irrationally nationalist and 'brainwashed', but I cannot think of any self-respecting people that would be happy about such a thing, specially considering the vast background to the matter.

      • mrbigcheese [he/him]
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        I feel like you cant really ignore Taiwan's ties and pacts to the us and us military presence in the region and support for Taiwan in arm sales and military technology, as well as the renewed calls for us military presence in Taiwan.

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            Taiwan is currently an independent nation

            No, it is not and the only reason it can be as brazen as it is in that regard is because they have daddy us standing behind them.

            Are you going to support any and all separatist movements aimed at weakening nations that run contrary to the west's interests because the purity of your ideals demand it? Should have the PRC not taken action and just let HK fall into the hands of the western-backed terrorist because idk bro that sounds authoritarian?

            Like, someone said somewhere in this thread “well can you really criticize the US government on Twitch?” And the answer is probably not meaningfully and that’s fucking shitty.

            Unless we are looking at different thread, the person in question said 'advocate for overthrowing' not criticising.

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                Taiwan has a close and necessary economic relationship with China which is its primary export and import source. over 40% of its exports go and 20% of its imports come from China. i agree the topic is more complicated than made out to be but theres certainly valid concerns China has on this

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                The mainland is absolutely key for their day-to-day functioning, if at least in the form of trading. More importantly, why not try asking that the other way around? Is t´´´´n doing that for the rest of the mainland? Then why call itself the legitimate government of China? Because that is what they do and is what allowing t****n to be recognized as a legitimate government plays into.

                Clearly there is someone in the right in this scenario, and is not the ones currently on an island off the coast with no substantiated territorial claims.

                And, again, the issue over the technically still ongoing civil war would have been put to rest long ago had it not been due to the y*nks' presence; it is abhorrent that the status-quo of a country's internal affairs has been set due to an external power's influence. It is a matter for concern precisely because it is a tangible risk to to the PRC's sovereignty and stability.

      • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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        All nationalism is brainwashing and is bad

        Black nationalism? Palestinian nationalism? Cuban and Vietnamese nationalism?

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        And we most definitively are a really long way from seeing such an endpoint being realistically achieved by anyone, so I do not see how that is important right now.

        But sure, they should ignore geopolitical reality and be happy with a y´nk puppet right on their doorstep. Though war is incredibly unlikely to happen, in case it did you can be damn sure one of the first things you would see would be the west using t****n as a bludgeoning club and pulling a stunt like acknowledging them as the legitimate rulers over the mainland.