• Girtsquirt [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Which political tendencies support the abolition of marriage and why?

    • ap1 [any,undecided]
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      4 years ago

      Full anarcho communism would probably abandon state marriage as there would be no special benefits and there would be no state. Religious and secular marriage would just be a fun cultural ceremony which people could abandon over time if they so choose

        • ap1 [any,undecided]
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          4 years ago

          Depending on where you live there is a lot of state benefits from signing the papers.

            • ap1 [any,undecided]
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              4 years ago

              These arguments re China and Rojava are relevant because same sex couples will miss out on state benefits and protections without state recognised same sex marriage. Anybody can throw a fun ceremony - I don't think either China or Rojava bans that.

              In the case of the Zapatistas, which anarchists probably support more than Rojava, this argument is kind of moot because I'm not aware of state benefits or protections since marriage isn't really a thing their minimal/nonexistent state cares about

    • Hungover [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      What will be the influence of communist society on the family?

      It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. It can do this since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage – the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents. And here is the answer to the outcry of the highly moral philistines against the “community of women”. Community of women is a condition which belongs entirely to bourgeois society and which today finds its complete expression in prostitution. But prostitution is based on private property and falls with it. Thus, communist society, instead of introducing community of women, in fact abolishes it.

      -Communist Manifesto

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      This is definitely part of a shit-post chain.

      It started with a post that criticised China not having gay-marriage yet. Then followed with the "Yeah but why is gay marriage still banned in Rojava?" as a counter to it. Now this.

  • ChapoComeToBrazil [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    In the process of creating a transitional state from capitalism to socialism, the workers' state must tread a fine line between capitalism and socialism, making sure not to overstep bounds on suppressing culture to the extent that it foments reactionary forces. The institution of marriage has existed since the advent of agriculture, and dissolution of this institution would require a post-scarcity environment for all people as well as a dissolution of all traditional cultural values, as marriage largely exists as a means of allowing financial security and legal integration of familial circles.

    • Owl [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Don’t mean to flame or anything, not educated on China so I won’t have much arguing to give but,

      Is it really understandable that they aren’t focusing on it? Like how much energy does it take in a single party system to just zoom abolition of marriage through? Like would it really detract from their other focuses that much?

      • Lava [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I mean, people like getting married.

        They could just gradually make it not really matter legally, and then wait a generation and remove it once it doesn't matter.

        • Owl [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          (It was a joke where I was copy-pasting a response from the gay marriage in China thread.)