“Bought this Tesla before Elon Musk became a huge asshole. Sorry”
wait, Tesla didn’t exist back then
If the sticker said “I bought this before Tesla was taken over by a huge asshole”, my response would be different.
If the goalpost is at “don’t buy stuff if the CEO is an asshole”, we’re all in trouble.
Pretty sure we ARE in very deep trouble, have you noticed?
But ultimately, according to the survey, most Tesla owners plan to buy a Tesla again.
Lol
Yyyyyyyup. I was hoping to get away from reddit's hivemind of "Teslas are shit cars" but with Musk at the helm I don't think that's possible. Are they perfect? No. Are they awesome? IMO, yes.
Tesla's are shit cars though, and it has nothing to do with Musk. They have little to no driver feedback. The UX of their driver control systems are unresponsive and require the driver to take their eyes from the road. The idea of self-driving cars is a pipe dream that solves zero problems and simply aggravates existing individual transport problems.
Counterpoints:
- Cosmetic build quality issues aside, they require practically zero maintenance (tires and windshield fluid) and there are less moving parts to break. So far they've proven to be very reliable.
- Driver feedback is subjective and I find your claim straight-up obtuse in meaning. I quite enjoy windy roads and the smoothness of the EV drivetrain.
- The UX of my Tesla is practically-perfectly responsive and most of what you want to do has either physical or voice controls.
- Autopilot is good bordering great but still needs work. FSD is indeed a pipe dream with the current fleet.
- It's fast as fuck.
Lol seriously? My passengers find the manual release by accident the first time they go to get out. It's exactly where you would expect it to be.
"Extra! Extra! Some people are idiots!"
Keep trying, bud.
Cosmetic build quality issues aside, they require practically zero maintenance (tires and windshield fluid) and there are less moving parts to break. So far they've proven to be very reliable.
This applies to all electric cars, this isn't exclusive to Tesla. And other electric cars don't have panel gaps.
Driver feedback is subjective and I find your claim straight-up obtuse in meaning. I quite enjoy windy roads and the smoothness of the EV drivetrain.
The Tesla drives like an appliance, particularly in comparison to what are often considered "driver's cars". Nothing wrong with it, but don't expect car enthusiasts to like it.
The UX of my Tesla is practically-perfectly responsive and most of what you want to do has either physical or voice controls.
most
voice controls
Physical buttons are superior, and have been for decades. Voice controls and touchscreens are decisions made on a budget basis, not a UX basis, because they are objectively worse. It's corner-cutting, not improvement.
Autopilot is good bordering great but still needs work. FSD is indeed a pipe dream with the current fleet.
Are you calling Musk a liar?!? FSD has been coming "next year" for like six years now!!!
Did they fix the fact you can't open the door from the inside if the power is out without an instruction manual and fingernails?
love too have my self driving software turn off seconds before my car slams into a semi truck going 100mph, so I can be blamed posthumously for not having enough personal responsibility
The fuck are you talking about? There is a regular-sized door handle right there.
Only the front doors have a manual release. So what will your child in the back seat do in the situation of a crash, and the battery is compromised causing a loss of power and threat of combustion?
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html
Wait aren't you the one who actually owns one of these lithium sand buckets?
So until today, you didn't know that you could potentially have locked someone in a ball of hot death because you assumed everything was fine because it looks cool
And your attitude about that horrifying revelation, is the equivalent of a snide shrug
Any car can potentially be a ball of hot death for the people inside. What do you expect me to do, sell the vehicle because some day I might hit all the points necessary for someone to be trapped in the back seat and at risk of harm or death? When I rarely ever have anyone back there? That's fucking ludicrous and a perfect fuck_cars take.
I don't think you understand the forces at play here. Gasoline burns at around 1000°c while lithium burns at over 2000°c. There is also the firefighting efforts about it (which is my job) which really suck. For a normal car or diesel fire with a water source we can fight the fire with foam, no problem. The NFPA doesn't even require us to carry Class D (metal fires) fire extinguishers on our trucks. We do have them on our trucks but they are designed for like, small appliances mostly, they don't have enough powder to actually manage a Tesla power system. We have to pull out whoever is inside then basically wait for the dump truck (literally a dump truck full of sand) to show up so we can glass most of the car in order to deny oxygen. Electric cars are a fucking grift, transport should be powered with overhead wires, maybe third rails.
Edit: also if you aren't car pooling why do you own a car? Why enter the "fuck cars" fray if you aren't anti-car?
I am well aware of the issues with EV battery fires. It will require changes to how you do your job and the equipment used. That's life.
We're not getting public transit everywhere in this country so we're going to have to adapt.
my desire for fancy treats is going to make your life personally objectively more dangerous. Thats life
Why can't you have public transit everywhere though? The soviet union did it and they are way larger with way more disparate populations than the USA.
Because I live in America and there's no way any kind of massive infrastructure bill that expands reliable public transit to every corner of the country gets anywhere in this day and age. Would love to be proven wrong.
my desire for fancy treats is going to make your life personally objectively more dangerous. Thats life
Literally yes. That's how it works sometimes.
But sure, let's all just go back to horses and donkeys. Wait, no... those were dangerous, too. Fuck.
I don't get why you're so dismissive of public transit being possible. Is it something with the ideological make up of the USA? I could give that until Miami is under water in about a decade. If its for physical limitations though then I couldn't give that, once again the USSR was primarily mass transit. If they could do it back then the USA could do it now.
Is it something with the ideological make up of the USA?
Very much so, yes.
I live in a state that has pretty dang good public transit (by USA standards) and even still, the county I live in is rural with no buses or trains within walking distance. I could bike, but there are no bike lanes or margins on the roads leading to the closest bus stop that I know. This is for the most populous state in the country while simultaneously being one of the smallest geographically.
If we as a society can accept that we need to allocate over an hour (and that's being generous) for the first leg a 20 mile round trip to make an appointment or whatever at a massive loss of convenience then, sure... maybe we can make it work. Right now? It's a pipe dream and getting angry at people who own a car to make their schedules work isn't doing your "side" any favors.
I will admit that I am part of your problem. I really like my car. I like the idea of having a tool that can quickly, conveniently, and comfortably give me the freedom to travel from place to place without having to deal with other people. That is a selfish stance, I admit. Until it becomes feasible to implement public transit at the scale needed to get rid of cars I am likely going to continue to feel this way.
You don't like, see if things work and stuff? Maybe I'm too used to having to deal with old beaters but checking if doors can be opened from the inside is a critical safety check. Its like checking to see if the seatbelts work. Do you ever drive people around?
That is kind of the funny thing about autos. Like most manufacturers are terrible in many ways. Environment, political, the way they treat people or how shitty their quality control is. Planned obsolescence. There is still a fake "supply demand" issue that they have literally concocted to jack prices through the roof. Literally price gouging asking 15k over MRSP because they pretend they have a supply issue lol.
All the US majors are in on this scam and it's sad we don't have a government worth a fuck to fight it..
Elon is just mouthy about it lol. I couldn't even tell you who the CEO of GMC is. They are awful as well tho.
The problem unique to car companies is that the Repubs are beholden to the car companies and the only unions big enough and worth a shit in the US is the UAW, and Democrats are beholden to anything they need.
So you literally can't do anything to regulate the industry without pissing off one or the other. The car companies will use any legislation raised against them to lay off union jobs.
Is the UAW still a powerful union? Hasn’t it been mostly dismantled and destroyed by union busting and automation?
Sure. Also Right-to-work legislation. Red States race to the bottom with worker protections.
Still the most powerful, tho.
r/cars and other car "enthusiast" subs have been pretty anti-Tesla for quite some time, because Teslas aren't really anything approaching a "driver's car". They go fast in a straight line but have terrible feedback and handling.
They are extremely mad that car people don't like Teslas, and they post angrily about it on Reddit every hour of every day. Fortunately, Tesla people aren't "car people" so there's really no real life friction other than Tesla dorks probably showing up to cars and coffee all over the nation and feeling personally offended when nobody gives half a shit about their commuter coffin.
https://carbuzz.com/news/tesla-admits-model-3-has-a-design-flaw
Oh, no!
Anyways...
If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know the consumer reports report referenced in the article weighs cosmetic issues as heavily as mechanical ones. It's been talked about to death since it came out a while ago but yeah, nice yahoo link, bro.
What a silly thing to complain about. TWO touches to get total mileage. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Yoke is optional becaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuse people didn't want it. They listened to their customers. Wow, what a terrible move.
Real c/fuck_cars take there.
I'm sorry, there's no positive here on the yoke thing. Literally anybody who isn't a 14 year old who has never driven a car before should understand a yoke is a shitty, stupid thing to replace a wheel with. That mistake didn't require putting the shit on the market and then going "oh wow I guess this much worse thing isn't better after all, huh". Like, seriously, the dumbest motherfuckers must have been involved in that decision from start to finish.
I guess we'll just ignore the tons of positive feedback regarding the yoke out there. Oh well.
Then why did they discontinue it if it wasn't a stupid idea? Oh well.
I just want to go into the thing itself a little bit here... What vehicles do we see "yoke" style steering wheels on? Racing cars and karts. Why do we see yokes on those vehicles specifically? Extremely fast steering racks that will go lock-to-lock in a half or quarter turn, coupled with cockpits that either do not allow enough arm movement due to restraints or space to have more wheel movement. Are Teslas cramped inside with arm restraints because they're open-top racecars? Do they have racing racks that go lock to lock in a quarter turn? Are Teslas driven like a racecar, where both hands will always be on the wheel unless you're banging through gears? No.
It's a child's view of the world that spawned the idea of putting yokes in Teslas, because the child (Musk) saw racecars and was too ignorant to understand why they had yokes. Techbros and their consequences, etc.
"But I think its cool, so therefore you are incorrect!"
Did you think they were agreeing with you bazinga boy? Lmao
Yeah; it’s very strange. The new online norm seems to be “don’t buy anything from a company if the primary person is a jerk.”
Meanwhile everyone online is buying stuff from jerks. They are just less vocal about it.
I REALLY don’t care to research every company I buy something from. Even if I know the primary person is a jerk, I still don’t care unless there is a near equal alternative.
The point here is that the main guy is like the biggest asshole, but the product itself is also ass while pretending not to be, likely fucking up the future “innovation” to be more fucking trash like this
Electric cars are still cars, and therefore do fuck-all to fix the real problem of excessive use of land for parking lots, low-density zoning, and lack of walkability.
The only way to have healthy and sustainable (ecologically, financially, or otherwise) communities is to fix the zoning code so that folks don't need to drive in the first place.
Or just reduce the need to drive, for example by encouraging remote work.
Oh man when almost everything was remote my commute was so nice. 12 miles in 15 - 17 minutes instead of almost double that everyday.
Unfortunately I operate a forklift so I have to be there in person but damn was it super nice.
Currently I'm trying to encourage and raise support for more bike infrastructure locally so it's an actually viable option intead of it's currently not so viable state.
Establishing maximums on parking lot sizes to be drastically less than the building's capacity would help
Maximums aren't necessarily the problem, since developers are incentivized by market forces not to build more parking than necessary.
The problem is parking minimums, which are based on numbers pulled out of somebody's ass 80 years ago and (to the extent they correlated with anything at all) tend to be closer to the maximum that could ever conceivably be needed (think "Black Friday at a shopping center") more than anything else!
We are the lobbyists. For example, my city is currently doing this, so it's up to people like me to show up at the meetings and demand changes like that. You can do the same in your city or county by talking to your local political rep, even when they aren't doing a wholesale rewrite like they are here.
I remember when Teslas used to be cool.
Now I see them all the time, and they might as well swap the badge for one that says “removed”, it would be less embarrassing.
Same, and also, when I was a teenager, I begrudgingly admit that I thought Elon Musk was cool.
Now if I am to get conspiratorial, Rupert Murdoch is trying to groom Musk into being the replacement for the Koch Brothers. Boomers love the Koch Brothers to the point of living vicariously through them, and Musk will be the same for millennials and zoomers to have their "le funny billionaire epic troll."
I mean cars are like core to the average american's personality
I gave an old lady on my street a bernie 2020 sticker back when and 1 day later someone keyed the fuck out of her car
Americans, being stupid, and cars
Classic
Extra frustrating because even though Musk is associated wholesale with Tesla, he is not actually a founder.
Yet another example of the rich running shit into the ground with poor decisions.
As much as I think musk is an asshole he did put his money where his mouth is in Tesla which notably almost went bankrupt twice. The reality is that Elon distaste matters orders of magnitude less to buyers than value. I mean people hate Walmart and yet they make a ton of money. Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering. Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world. On Twitter yeah he is running it into the ground arguably on purpose but on Tesla and space x he is doing pretty good. I don't understand what people taking this angle think the founder would have done better. The founder would have just gone bankrupt with Tesla or sold to someone else.
I would also add that people don't deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.
Most people are just going to buy the car that is the best value with the least effort.
people don't deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.
I'm not gonna defend the state of the dealership system, but from what I hear, getting Teslas fixed is awful in unique ways.
Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world.
They're the largest by stock price, but in EVs/year they were surpassed by a chinese company a couple years ago, and both traditional and new companies are closing the gap Tesla got from all the early capital that was dumped into them. They never came close if you include non-electric cars.
Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering.
There's tons of electric cars at the price point Tesla offers, with a fraction of the issues. One thing I did notice is other companies limit what they're willing to import into the US to avoid competing with more expensive models (eg, no company imports cheap electric convertibles or station wagon because they'd compete with higher-end electric cars and SUVs/pickups respectively), but I'm not aware of any market segment that doesn't have a competitive non-tesla equivalent.
Awhile ago, someone counted the number of local news stories of people getting immolated by their Teslas. It was more per car sold than the Ford Pinto.
Between:
spoiler
Locking the person in when power fails
Wompy Wheels
Steering wheel come off while you are driving
Tesla's tendency to drive into the back of stopped emergency vehicles or stop on highways due to changing light conditions
The trunk
$500 door handles with 10 dollars worth of electronics that fail due to moisture and ice (this one was improved. They're still $500 though)
The car lying about its range
Shoddy build quality
A dozen other issues I hear from Tesla owners
The only way I can understand Tesla not being as big of a joke as the Ford Pinto is some combination of outlets that would amplify these stories to become national news also tend to own stock in the largest car company, and Tesla having a team that's 10x better than Ford's at shutting down negative publicity.
No one cares about the rich assholes who own other car companies, so why Tesla? For example Toyota were some of the biggest campaign donors to Trump.
Also what does this have to do with Fuck Cars? This is about the minutiae of car culture... We should be talking about trains and bicycles here.
I bought it before the twitter stuff
but you bought it well after everyone knew they were shit quality explosive deathtraps and that he was a paedophile
Epstein and Ghislaine were/are intelligence assets. If they got something on Musk, it'd either be out by now or they're dictating all this shit.
I don't hurl insults at Tesla owners. If they're dumb enough to stick to owning a car more likely to explode than a Pinto while not even having the panels line up correctly on a $40k "luxury" car, then there's no pox I could wish on them worse than what they're already signed up for.
LOL oh no, these panels are slightly askew and it's fixed for free immediately. The horror... what have I done to myself?
You obviously have no experience with the cars and are posting one-off issue articles from years ago.
Believe it or not, I am quite happy with my purchase.
The car worked fine with a misaligned panel. Not sure what you're getting at.
They designed that child immolation feature just for you, please put it to good use!
Lmao imagine being this big a loser you feel like apologizing to everyone because you bought a shit car
what a patetic testament , so they brougt their fucking car (Most Pricy Class of Consumer Item ) based on them liking the
hype lib train (oviously not actually a Train thats way to efficent and proven) , joyfully driving on the Smuglane ,.. now after the "X" stuff , and Elon having puplic shifted into the Chud lane , they now drive their Tesla on the Crinch highway in such paranoid hyperawareness that they put a fucking Bumperstckr on their car to Preactivly apolegize .... Never be that Pathetic ...I’m sure the resale value plummeting after the driving range bullshit was exposed probably doesn’t factor into the not selling. Right?
The resale value is plummeting because Tesla is cutting prices because their goal is to become a larger auto manufacturer. Tesla took advantage of COVID just like everyone else to extract money from suckers. Those suckers are crying that Tesla is hurting their resale when Tesla does not give a fuck about their resale. They have a history of lowering prices to drive volume That isn't some secret plan. There are more new buyers to be had than satisfy the people who bought overpriced cars in an expanding market.
Also what evs are people cross shopping for better range per dollar. It is well documented Teslas are still among the most efficient evs.
That being said I own a Tesla because it drives itself.most places. I would rather live in a place with better public transit access to the service calls I have and not own a car at all.
Bolt euv and kona ev are cheaper with the same range. People that didn't immediately buy a shitty car to look cool can easily shop around for a better ev.
Well, the only thing I’ll bother to comment on, because I have no interest in debating Tesla stans, is that the prices weren’t initially getting lowered because of some rosey-hued intention of becoming more accessible or anything like that. Prices were dropping because his antics with Twitter turned off potential buyers and he was forced to reduce prices to seem more palatable to those not completely turned off by him already, under the facade of trying to become more of a competitive brand etc etc etc. And that was before the driving range reporting, during which many owners reported being pissed that their already-depressed value cars were now worth even less, so they were probably stuck with them. Hope that response was more acceptable for you. If not, oh well.
Tesla production is growing year over year rapidly. If they want to sell higher volume they have to have lower prices. If they didn't want to sell higher volume, they wouldn't be expanding production so much.
uh huh, keep telling yourself that’s the reason, despite multiple levels of Tesla employees and customers anonymously and publicly expressing that they wished he would turn Twitter over to someone else and focus on Tesla again to keep their stock from falling more that it already was at the time. You’re not educating anyone here.
This is the equivalent of voting Republican, then complaining how everything is getting worse.
