You can’t say any of those things existed “before humans”, it’s not that nothing existed before humans, it’s that our perception of things and the words and concepts we use are entirely limited to us and extrapolating them to other things in that way seems silly and ends up back into anthropo-centrism to me.
This is kinda hard to talk about because it’s not even a very tangible or materialistic topic, it’s mostly philosophical, so sorry if my thoughts aren’t very clear.
it's definitely hard to talk about, you will make no friends. but those things definitely exited 'before humans.'
i just don't even understand how any of this is debatable. you'd think that since we invented the fucking word 'language' that the idea is foreign throughout other species.
Whatever other animals can/do think and feel doesn’t matter here, this kind of take still seems nihilistis.
Whatever other animals can/do think and feel doesn’t matter here, this kind of take still seems nihilistic and anthropo-centric. The whole idea of humans having a “good or bad” impact on earth is within a human context, the concept of earth is within a human context.
this shit is on the level of 'animals can't feel pain' because they don't have the fucking words.
it's definitely hard to talk about, you will make no friends. but those things definitely exited 'before humans.'
i just don't even understand how any of this is debatable. you'd think that since we invented the fucking word 'language' that the idea is foreign throughout other species.
Missed my point, but I don't really know where to go from there, so I don't think I'll keep the convo going. It was interesting though!
this shit is on the level of 'animals can't feel pain' because they don't have the fucking words.