Disclaimer since based on my last comment i know the accusation is coming: i voted for claudia already. I think socialists should vote for Claudia if shes available.

I just also think voting is not the ultimate expression of politics and doesnt mean that much. The "its an endorsement" thing is true, but one extra endorsement does not equal one extra dead Palestinian. Thats just magical thinking. (Also, ive tried telling people the endorsement thing because its what changed my mind about lesser evilism, it doesnt work.)

And the idea that every Kamala voter is horrific evil when many are scared, propagandized, gaslit marginalized people doing what they think they need to do to not die is misguided. You guys claim to be the ultimate propaganda understanders but dont seem to understand its power. Are people still responsible for their actions? Sure. Does a vote of all things matter as an action all that much? Lmao fuck no. Its basically pointless.

Like ive actually talked to liberals about their vote. I didnt even have to touch grass to it! Where their coming from is wrong and ive told them that, but ive seen the effect the lesser evilism propaganda has on their mind. they are not coming from a place of evil with their choice Hating, "not forgiving", or throwing in the pit (as ive seriosly seen suggested) the 10s of millions of people who will vote Kamala in November is simply not practical. You cant hate humanity to that extent and organize. And you definitly cant desire to kill that many people lmao.

Also, most of you are ex liberals. Meaning most of you have endorsed war crimes with a vote. Probably worth keeping in mind.

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    they are not coming from a place of evil with their choice

    they're making the conscious decision that murdering Palestinians is okay if it benefits them personally

      • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        Most of the Germans during WWII and the Holocaust also were not nazis. The nazi party and the SS were only a small fraction of the total population. That didn't stop the Germans from actively participating in the Holocaust or helping invade/bomb other countries. Hell, neither WWII nor the Holocaust would have been possible without all of Germany being complicit.

        The number of people arrested, deported, and killed wasn't possible with the SS alone. They relied on local police being informed of where people were hiding by neighbors wanting to eliminate Jews, Roma, homosexuals, etc. If the SS went door to door searching every house, there's no way they could have captured as many people as they did. Those people were handed over to them by ordinary Germans not part of the nazi party.

        So no, I don't buy that excuse. Whitey is gonna whitey and if he is willing to throw Palestinians under the bus, he sure as shit will snitch when the time comes to eliminate the marginalized here at home.

          • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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            1 month ago

            I think a younger, more reactionary me would have deserved a yeeting for being reactionary. There was no excuse for those views when there were people the same age who had the opposite views. While I realize that now, it doesn't absolve my participation.

            It's also materially irrelevant because I can't change the past, especially past versions of other people. I can only change the conditions of what's going on right now. Maybe some libs are possible to convert with enough time and understanding. Unfortunately, Palestinians don't have that time. It's the same as what was going on in Germany. Maybe there were Germans who could have been reasoned with. It doesn't matter because the war was necessary to end the Holocaust, the invasion of the USSR, and the occupation of neutral countries.

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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            1 month ago

            i'm not going to start killing my family

            Good! Nobody's gonna kill their family for voting for this genocide and nobody is suggesting it.

              • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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                1 month ago

                I'm glad you did that but it's definitely telling that everybody who feels the need to tell us we're wrong for our position has to include imagined declarations that nobody has declared

                it's the imaginary hexbear you're disagreeing with, not the actual hexbear users

        • CarbonScored [any]
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          1 month ago

          Yeah sorry I don't buy this shit either.

          You're basically saying "if you hate your genocidal society then why do you participate in it?" very-intelligent.

          Libs are just under the incorrect belief that by voting for the lesser evil they are "improving things somewhat" improve-society . Doubly so where in many (though definitely not all) cases, it's a factual error, not a values one. And I really struggle to blame individuals for that.

          Newsflash: The minerals in your electronics were partially or entirely mined by child slavery, why are you willing to throw them under the bus??? Turns out participating in society is required, and so you just act within it in a way you think is best to improve things.

            • CarbonScored [any]
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              1 month ago

              I'm very over the childish tendency to condemn colloquialisms as a lib/redditor thing. I'm using words to communicate a point. You understood that point. So they did their job.