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This 'struggle session' has cut open a sore of cisnormativity which allows plausible deniability of transphobic action and thought. It's senseless and insensitive to push back against what should be a non-issue. Cis and trans alike, set your pronouns so as to normalize an aspect of trans inclusion that goes some way to dispel cishet patriarchal norms assumed default by almost every space, especially online.
There is no excuse (that hasn't been considered and discussed and where applicable, taken on board) to push back against this as we as a community have. We can (and should) do better.
I largely agree. encouragement of cis comrades is good, pressuring NB and trans comrades is bad. but here's the thing... I haven't actually seen anyone say "you're transphobic if you don't set pronouns". the closest it's come to that is "it takes 5 seconds and it makes people happy, just do it." which is a far cry from a framing around transphobes.
the discussion about transphobes has been around what people are saying about why they don't want to set pronouns. a serious amount of it came out in those threads and it impacted me and others.
That's been more-or-less implied by a lot of posts from the staunchest supporters of assigning pronouns, and it's been outright said several times in lengthy comment sections and some OP's of threads.
I cited the "5 seconds" principle several times myself, before reading more and realizing that only really applied to cis comrades who didn't have legitimate reasons for not setting them aside from extreme laziness. Those people are acting shitty and that contributed a lot to why so many users (myself included) are upset with the complete apathy towards solidarity certain cis users have shown. Especially when a lot of their arguments boiled down to "I'm petty and I don't like people telling be what to do!" Like get a fucking grip y'all, if you're cis then this issue isn't about you, and if you think it is, you're not thinking like a leftist.
can you link some examples? I genuinely have seen it and it's been bothering me since yesterday as I thought I was in/reading all the threads very carefully.
I've been digging into the threads for the last 20 minutes and I actually can't find any specific examples amidst the noise. I also read almost all the debates yesterday, but the posts I'm referring to seem to have gotten buried in the huge discussion, and I should have saved them. My apologies, I hope a comrade with links to specific posts can cite them here.
appreciated :) I spent a while looking yesterday as well and didn't find anything. I kind of suspect that the narrative that people were saying this took hold without an actual inciting incident.
here's one
"wtf why am i getting called out for being lazy and petty stop bullying me"
yeah, I was asking for the reverse, of someone actually saying "you're transphobic if you won't set pronouns" or "you're a TERF if you won't set pronouns" both of which got claimed yesterday (and again in this thread)
oh ye those will be hard to find cause they don't actually exist
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half the threads on this site call you a lib for something or the other and this is far from the first time a thread calling people libs was pinned. what made this one different?
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idk, I upvoted you. I suspect people were expecting the obvious conclusion I was drawing this thread towards; but who knows.